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judecorp ([personal profile] judecorp) wrote2008-12-02 05:29 pm
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Black Sheep

I am at a complete and total loss. I'm sure this is only compounded by getting two hours of sleep last night, but I am just beside myself.

My grandfather, one of the people my sun rises and sets on and the person for whom my daughter is named, called me and reamed me out because I cashed out an account he set up for me as a child "without telling him." Which of course I didn't do, we spoke about this at length back when I was pregnant because I wanted to use the money to help me stay home with Punk and he not only said it was okay but also told me when specifically to withdraw the money so as to avoid penalties. He remembers none of this, but rather than even consider the possibility that he has forgotten, he just insisted over and over again that we never talked about it, and more to the point, that he is devastated that I would not "take him into confidence" about something like this and that he is so offended.

I don't even know what to say or do. I realize that he is especially sensitive about this sort of thing because my cousin actually DID withdraw an account without telling him and spent the money on a bunch of douchbaggery several months ago, but I did not do this. I talked to him about the money in June of last year and I withdrew the money, at his request, in April of this year. (It was rolling over at that time.) Not only that, I brought it up AGAIN after all of the crap went down with my cousin because I was shocked and appalled that my cousin would do such a thing.

There is absolutely nothing I can do to convince him that we agreed on this. I even tried telling him that he /told me/ to wait until April to take the money. (I don't get any documents about the money, they go to his house.) That he said it was a good idea. That he said it was mine to use. Et cetera. He just insists and insists that he had no idea about it and that he is so hurt that I would do this behind his back. And I am upset that he is so upset, of course, and I am frustrated that he forgot, but mostly I am just so hurt that he thinks I am a douchebag. That he thinks that I would do something like this, that it is completely impossible that perhaps he forgot and instead it's completely possible that I would take money from him and cover it up.

By the end of the conversation, since he was clearly looking for an apology, I apologized for the only thing I could apologize for in good conscience - that I was sorry I didn't remind him of our agreement when I took out the money (like, gave him a heads up reminder that day). I absolutely will not entertain the possibility that we didn't talk about it and I am mistaken, because I will not pretend I am the sort of person who would do that. I won't. And I am so hurt and furious and want someone to apologize to /me/.

I may not be a perfect person, but if there is one thing I am not, it is a thief. I go above and beyond for my grandparents and on top of that, I am always completely responsible and forthcoming about money. I don't play around with money and I don't spend it frivolously. And I certainly don't go behind people's backs.

My grandfather will be 91 years old in a month's time and it is very possible he will die with these awful impressions of me. My heart is just sick over the thought of that.

[identity profile] buckeyebrain.livejournal.com 2008-12-02 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
My heart got sick just reading it. Has he been diagnosed with any kind of mental deficiency given his advanced age?

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2008-12-02 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
No. He's usually very sharp. I mean, he forgets some stuff I'm sure, but he is very alert. Especially considering he is 90.

[identity profile] sassywoman.livejournal.com 2008-12-02 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this Jude. I can tell it's weighing heavy on your heart. Could you go back to the bank and request some sort of documentation that would show the time lines? Maybe that would help clear things up in his head.
*hugs*

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2008-12-02 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
He knows the timeline. He knows that it was closed in April and the money was withdrawn. Why he is just noticing this NOW, in December, is beyond me. But the bank certainly has no documents about our conversations, you know? They just know I went to them and moved the money from one account to another (where I took money until April when I could roll it over).

[identity profile] ladyleo.livejournal.com 2008-12-02 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
*huge hugs*

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

[identity profile] rexlezard.livejournal.com 2008-12-02 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry - that is so hard.

It's probably really hard for him, too.

I hope you're able to talk some more about it and that he either remembers and/or you know that he understands you're not awful.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure it is bothering him and he is hopefully at least THINKING about the possibility that he forgot. Because really, if he truly thinks I would do this without telling him, I am crushed.

[identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com 2008-12-02 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Could you remind him specifically of the settings of these talks? Like, "we were visiting in December, we sat in the kitchen",etc? Say something including how much you care about him and would never do anything to upset him and whether he believes it or not, you remember talking to him about it?

That's so hard - one time I called my Grandma and she swore we hadn't talked in almost a year when in fact it had been a month.

I'm sorry. But he knows you and knows you're honest. Even if he forgets it occasionally, he still knows it deep inside.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, I seriously tried. I was all, "We first spoke in early summer last year when I was pregnant; we were sitting in your office and we spoke privately." I really thought that when I told him that he specifically told me to roll the money in April that he would at least say, "Well, maybe." I realize that he is a proud man and would not want to admit that he forgot something. I would appreciate if he could just say that MAYBE he didn't remember because he knows I would not be the kind of person to steal or lie.

Instead, he just kept saying into the phone that I was wrong and I never told him anything and took the money right out from under his nose. :(

I did, though, try to be as caring as possible and said that I was truly sorry that he was so upset, and that I was sorry if there was any misunderstanding or miscommunication, and that while I certainly could have reminded him again (and was sorry about that), I know that we DID talk about it and he knew about it in advance.

The only other thing I can think of to do is call my grandmother.

[identity profile] gabriellag.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
This. Call your grandmother. This is serious enough. And it might be a sign that he is starting to forget more.

[identity profile] keelamonster.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I completely agree. You probably don't see it since you're not right there, but I would put money on the idea that if you talk with your grandma he's probably forgetting more and more. And not the big stuff, either. It's little things like this that are usually early harbingers. I would talk to her. At the very least, she needs to know he's done it so that the next time he goes to the doctor, they can evaluate him. Most people who are very sharp tend to lose little things on the periphery and by the time anyone notices they're having these issues, they're full-blown demented and there's no good help.

Early changes can be slowed with the right medications. No one can give back what he's lost but perhaps you guys can be pro-active in order to prevent him losing more. And to make damn sure that all of his feelings and wishes are known NOW while he has most of his righg mind, so to speak.

[identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
When people are that proud, they usually know, even if they don't admit it, that they may be wrong... I'm telling you, he knows you're no thief. He's probably just freaking out that he forgot this completely and taking it out on you. He probably doesn't realize how much the whole thing upset you. Maybe you should let him see that.

[identity profile] smurfbrother.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
I'm with CG on this, and the poster above who suggested you enlist Grandma is right on as well.

[identity profile] lanewaychatter.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
ack! I hardly know what to say. But: could you forgive him, even though you are also feeling like you deserve an apology?

Sometimes people remind me that the most powerful thing I can do *for myself* is give up being right about something, even when I am right.

I hope he *doesn't* die thinking that you didn't discuss this with him. And I also hope you are able to find a way to feel better about what is happening for you, now.
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[identity profile] emokideeyore.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
I think calling your grandmother is probably the best bet. Is it possible you mentioned to another family member that could vouch that you told them he said that X number of months ago? That at least would lend credence to what you say. That said, this probably has more to do with your cousin's actions than anything you have ever done or not done.

[identity profile] vttwinmama.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
so sorry you are dealing with this. it all sounds so upsetting, and sad, given that your grandfather is usually so sharp. i hope thing smooth out somehow. i also want you to know that i enjoyed the word "douchebaggery" a great deal!

[identity profile] rizzo41.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
I think your grandfather knows you well enough by now to *know* that you would never do anything like this. As little as I know your grandfather I know that he is a proud man and I'd wager he's being more stubborn than anything. I'd guess he's probably like my grandmother was and doesn't want to be 'an old person'. Old People are forgetful. The sharp ones are also good at hiding that they are getting forgetful. Gram would also deny that she had forgotten something and get angry about it. I know it hurts, I really do, but I think you handled it as well as anyone could. I would also suggest having a conversation with Grandma. Let her know you're concerned about Grandpa because he was so upset, but that you *did* consult with him. She may be the one person who can smooth things over once he simmers down.

*HUG* I'm sorry, Jude. It's not easy.

[identity profile] estrange.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry :(

[identity profile] bookgrrrl.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry you're feeling crappy. I can't say anything better than the above, but I am sorry.

[identity profile] theshapeshifter.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Damn, I'm really sorry. For what it's worth, it could be that he's not as sure of his memory as he's letting on, and that part of his anger is misdirected frustration over that? I know that with my grandpa, the first signs of his memory slipping were actually anger issues. Either way, it still sucks that you have to be in this position.

[identity profile] tea-soaked.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Wow - I am sorry - that sounds awful.

[identity profile] indigodove.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
*BIG HUGS*

Oh Jude, I am sorry to hear that -- I feel heartsick for you. I hope you're able to resolve it with him, and I think you'll be able to.

I think talking to your grandmother about it is the right idea, fwiw.

[identity profile] jodied.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
Could your grandfather be sick? Like, an infection, or maybe some kind of vascular event? Or maybe something else?

It must really feel awful to be in this position. So sorry.

[identity profile] colleenod.livejournal.com 2008-12-03 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so sorry. That is such a horrible position to be in.

It's so hard when you feel like your character should speak for itself... when you feel like someone knows you really well and has known you for a long time and should know that, well, you just would never do what you were being accused of.

Not to make this all about me, but I once came home to the house I lived in with my grandmother (who raised me) and went to open the door with my keys. I only had the key to one of the two outside locks, but my grandmother had also locked the second lock, and I didn't have that key. So, I had no choice but to ring the bell and wake her up to come let me in. It took me a while to wake her because she was hard of hearing but refused to admit it. When she opened the door, I said, "Thank you" in a relieved tone, not exasperated or rude or anything. She got furious and didn't speak to me for 3 days. 3 days! Even when I finally burst into tears and begged her to tell me what I had done to offend her so much.

I finally got out of her that what she heard me say when she opened the door was "F**k you." I didn't say that. Not even close. But it's what she heard.

*That* was why she tortured me for three days. What hurt me most though is that she didn't once think to herself, ya know, C. would never say that to me, or even C. has never said anything hateful to me ever before, maybe I am mistaken. Maybe my ears failed me. That never occurred to her.

I was actually more upset that she could know me so well and for so many years and think I would say that to her than I was about any of the rest of it.

I am sorry. It sucks that you were responsible about this and did everything right but your grandfather has no recollection of it and doesn't believe you. Hugs.

[identity profile] goddesswhitty.livejournal.com 2008-12-05 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'm so sorry you have to deal with all that. I know that's the last thing you need! I'm totally vibing that he will have a moment of clarity and apologize to you. I hate that feeling.

Much love to you.

[identity profile] mayna.livejournal.com 2008-12-06 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
My grandfather is 88 and it would positively kill me if he thought ill of me for whatever reason. I hope that you're able to mend fences with him somehow.