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i'm recording our history
now on the bedroom wall
and when we leave the landlord will come
and paint over it all


I wonder why, in the past few weeks, several people have been putting subtle (or not-so-subtle) pressure on me to consider moving in with Jennifer when we're both in Boston. Another has put pressure on her. And while I'm usually unsurprised by most things, this completely baffles me.

Why would someone think that this is a good idea? Sure, we're friends and more-than-friends and we get along and like a lot of the same things. Sure, it would save money. Sure, we would get to spend a lot of time together.

But still. I mean, I think about these people (one of whom was /really/ pressuring last weekend) and the attitude I kind of get from them is "What do you mean you don't want to? Aren't you serious about this girl?" Does wanting to give things time mean I don't want to, aren't serious?

I mean, let's be rational here. (And while I know that I think with my head too often, I think something of this magnitude requires at least some semblance of rationality.) When I move to Boston in July, it will be the first time since December of 1997 that I don't live with a significant other. It will be the first time since December of 1997 that I will have a sort of safe haven from non-stop intimacy. It will be the first time that I stake my own little claim in the universe. I'm excited about it.

I like what she and I have. I like it a lot and I'd really like to perpetuate it, to see where it's going, to see what we can cultivate. I'd like to see how our movie will play out when we're both in the same city, able to date like people in the same city can. To go from long-distance to intimate personal space? Culture shock.

I'd like to be able to call her from work and say, "Want to grab dinner?" I'd like to be able to call her on a lazy Saturday afternoon and say, "Let's go for a drive." I'd like to be able to roll over on a Sunday morning and see her next to me, sure, and I can have that. Without the immediacy of moving in together. Without the need to rush. Moving forward can mean small steps instead of giant leaps. Giant leaps run the risk of losing sight of the ground.

I think she said it best when we talked about it this morning: "Our lives together are a really good movie, and in the movies, they usually fast-forward all of the intermediate parts." She's right. We're almost programmed to fall in love and then jumpstart to the "happily ever after" without the part where you spend time together and get a handle on each other's idiosyncracies and patterns of interaction.

Jennifer and I /are/ a really good movie. But unlike those other movies, where there's a two hour time limit, we have the rest of our lives, should we decide we want that, to see what happens before the credits roll. I'm enjoying every minute of our movie. And I can't wait to really get to date this girl. In the same city. All the time.

Date: 2002-04-02 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salomes-pimp.livejournal.com
thinking with your head is not always a bad thing. as long as you let your heart in on the action.

i think you've got a good grasp on your situation and are in great and total control of what you're doing.

=)

On thinking it through

Date: 2002-04-02 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iansha.livejournal.com
Smurfy:
There is /nothing/ wrong with thinking this through.
After coming off a relationship, no matter what awaits you on the other side, you need some time to breathe, to get yourself back.
Get your own place... hell, she can sleep over every night if you want. But it will be yours, and yours alone. You need something like that for a bit. It'll do you good.

Date: 2002-04-02 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prunesnprisms.livejournal.com
I know I didn't talk to you last weekend, so it won't surprise you to know I'm not the one who recommended your moving in together. After all, I'm the anti-living-together model, who splits her time between two apartments, not really living in either.
But it's definitely good to get a handle on being near each other before jumping into a lease. Definitely a good thing.

You're really smart.

Date: 2002-04-02 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookgrrrl.livejournal.com
...and doing the right thing. Dating is good.

Date: 2002-04-02 01:24 pm (UTC)
siercia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] siercia
It's funny, I was just thinking about this the other day... I had completely just assumed you guys would be moving in together, until you were talking about the difficulty of finding a roommate and apartment that would allow you to keep the cats. And i wondered why on earth you /weren't/ moving in with Jennifer. And after I thought about it for a little while I realized what a colossally dumb idea it was that I just assumed this, and about 15 million reasons why it would be such a bad idea for you to just jump into living together.

So, do what feels right to you. Whether living together or not. Anyone whi questions how serious you are about each other is just plain silly. I don't see how anyone could see how you look at each other, and not know this is /very/ serious. And very wonderful.

Date: 2002-04-02 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigodove.livejournal.com
Absolutely. Ralph and I like to say "we have all the time in the world." I personally think nothing kills a relationship faster than going too quickly.

Sounds like you're both on the same page here, and that you are both using heads and hearts. And, so long as the two of you agree on the issue, it's nobody else's business.

Date: 2002-04-02 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusorafool.livejournal.com
That was put *beautifully*!

Hey, if you want, you could move in with me. I have a big place and you are allowed to drink beer/ scratch yourself whenever you want here ;-P~

Dude.

Date: 2002-04-02 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Where do you live, and how serious are you?

(He thinks I'm joking.)

Date: 2002-04-02 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
For the record, I wanted to make it abundantly clear that you are /not/ one of the people I was getting pressure from. :)

And thank you, enormous thank yous from the bottom of my cold, stony heart, for this:

I don't see how anyone could see how you look at each other, and not know this is /very/ serious. And very wonderful.

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-02 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusorafool.livejournal.com
I live in Waltham about a half mile from the Commuter Rail. I have been thinking about looking for a roommate. The toughest part of living with me would be my schedule...in bed early/up early.

Date: 2002-04-02 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prunesnprisms.livejournal.com
How do you keep focused on that, functionally? I keep losing my head and moving too fast.

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-02 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iansha.livejournal.com
Waltham is a neat place. And totally commute-able to Boston or surrounding areas.
I used to work there. :)

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-02 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I have a good friend who lives in Waltham. :)

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-02 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
So I couldn't run around with a lampshade on my head listening to Annette Funicello at 3am?

Darn.

Re: You're really smart.

Date: 2002-04-02 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I think I'm going to /really/ like dating. :)

Date: 2002-04-02 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
I think that we should do what is best for us....what is right for us..and that is all that matters......anyone who pressures us to do something we aren't ready for or comfortable with needs to take a moment to think about the pressure being exerted....
I am confident that we will do what is best for us and only we truly know what that is....

Oh..and while I look forward to a time when we do do something like this...I believe that we both need this time right now to be close but not *that* close.....and enjoy each other without the rpessures of living together....regardless of the money or convenience or whatever...I know how you feel about me...I feel the same about you....

Love You!
M.

Date: 2002-04-02 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
Uhm- For the record you do not have a cold stony heart......so there.....

Date: 2002-04-02 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
Hey..wow..its so odd for both you and Judie to refer to me as "Jennifer" I'm not saying its bad...just..different.

I always used my full name when working.....and just "Jen" amongst friends...but I kinda like it when it's used by this girl that I love....so I guess if you are referring to what SHE said then its okay...

Living together...bad

Date: 2002-04-02 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imagine77.livejournal.com
I think the biggest problem in my relationship is we have pretty much never not lived together. Unless we werent talking. We almost got seperate apartments once...but circumstances hindered us. Sometimes i think we are togethe ronly because we share a living space. We will be together forever at this rate...miserable or no,...because we have gotten in the abit of measuring our relationship in terms of leases.
"When this lease is up we'll..."
I dont eant to move, he doesnt want to move...so ...we stay together
breaking up is just too inconveninet...even if we arent sure we love each other it will still be too inconvenient.
Time is good, space is good.
Too much togther and you take eveyrthingf or granted anyway.
DO what makes you happy my pretty pretty princesses!

Do too! Do too!

Date: 2002-04-02 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I am so goth.

Date: 2002-04-02 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Color me weird, but I like your whole name. It's more... hell, I don't even know. More intimate? More personal? More serious? I dunno. There are lots of "Jen"s and "Jenn"s in the world, but there is only one of my Jennifer.

(Besides, I get all stomach-weird when I hear you say your name on your cell phone voicemail. I am /so/ bizarre when it comes to you.)

So it's okay that I take the liberty of using the whole name?

Re: Living together...bad

Date: 2002-04-02 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
DO what makes you happy my pretty pretty princesses!

EEP! I have never, never, /never in all my life/ been called a "pretty pretty princess."

*passes out in shock*

Re: Living together...bad

Date: 2002-04-02 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imagine77.livejournal.com
Now you can never ever ever say that again! wheeeee!

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusorafool.livejournal.com
Hmmm, let me clarify that:

1) Running around with a lampshade on head singing Annette Funnicello songs would be prohibited on all Sunday through Thursday nights from September through June.

2) Restrictions on Annette Funicello late-night escapades are lifted on Friday and Saturday evenings as well as all evenings in July and August.

How about that?

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
On said evenings in July and August, would luau food be provided? What about duet renditions of "Jamaica Ska"?

These things are important, you know.

Date: 2002-04-03 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
After all, I'm the anti-living-together model, who splits her time between two apartments, not really living in either.

In a schizophrenic way, I can totally understand, and relate to, this. There's some sort of comfort in knowing that there's a place of one's own to go to while having the option of a little playing house. :)

Re: On thinking it through

Date: 2002-04-03 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
hell, she can sleep over every night if you want.

*cue make-out music*

Re:

Date: 2002-04-03 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
Uhm...uh....you get all stomach weird?? Well..then..gee...OF COURSE you can use my whole name...I like it when you do.:)

Re: Do too! Do too!

Date: 2002-04-03 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
Hrm....let's see.....you are not goth, kiddo...sorry....Not even on the inside...:)

You are just a ray of perfect sunshine!.....or something...that isn't goth....

I am pretty fond of your not cold or stony or little heart!
So there...

Date: 2002-04-03 06:34 am (UTC)
siercia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] siercia
I pretty much just used it 'cause she did. *grin*

Stomach-weird

Date: 2002-04-03 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Yes. I am such a dork sometimes.

(Why do you think I leave messages on your cell phone?)

Date: 2002-04-03 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigodove.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I remember :) We're married now, after four years of dating...been together over five years now.

I think it was mostly an awareness we both had, as both of us had been in relationships that moved too fast at first, and ultimately didn't work out, partly due to this moving too fast.

But what works for us doesn't necessarily work for everyone.

Re: Stomach-weird

Date: 2002-04-03 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
(Why do you think I leave messages on your cell phone?)



Because you love me?;)

Re:

Date: 2002-04-03 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
She is just the trend setter!;)

Re: Stomach-weird

Date: 2002-04-03 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Well, okay, that too. :)

Date: 2002-04-03 08:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Don't you know it.

It's not so bad being trendy
Everyone who looks like me is my friend.
Please don't have me because I'm trendy
They're not gonna laugh at me again.

(Reel Big Fish)

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusorafool.livejournal.com
Dude, I love to BBQ...so luua would be right up my alley. And, if you get enough beer in me (which will happen frequently during the summer), anything is possible ;-P~

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Mmmm, beer.

You know, this doesn't sound half bad. I could wear my Hawaiian shirt with the hula girls, and we could go crazy.

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusorafool.livejournal.com
Or you could just borrow one of my *many* Hawaiian shirts! And you thought I was shitting ya about the luua thing? hehehehehe!

Hula girls? *perk*

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Is this the part in the conversation where I tell you that I had planned to decorate my bedroom like a luau? I was going to hang up nets and plastic crabs, and palm trees and hula girl cut-outs... and sing "Pineapple Princess" all the time while wearing my hula girl shirt!

Dude, it's so all true.

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusorafool.livejournal.com
Wooohooo! Party time! (summers and weekends only though) ;-P~

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
That's okay. I can do weekends.

Re: Dude.

Date: 2002-04-03 02:48 pm (UTC)

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