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While I was tooling around on the internet about an hour ago, I began to hear yelling from outside my windows. I figured it was a couple of people arguing, so I let it go, until I heard a man yell, "Racial Profiling!" At this point, I looked out the front windows to see an officer handcuffing a young African-American man against a police car, and another man and woman yelling things like, "He didn't do nothing!" and "He was just walking down the street!" I decided to go outside and watch what was going to happen.

What I saw was atrocious. The police officer in question did NOTHING to try to de-escalate the situation, and in fact, made it far worse. The officer /and/ the two people on the street were in each other's faces yelling at each other, hurling insults. The two people were yelling about racial profiling, and the officer was yelling at the people to get away from the car. At one point, the officer said, "Get your black ass on the sidewalk." As you might expect, this caused an explosive reaction from the young man on the street. From the safety of his police car, the same officer yelled to the man, "Go back to the South Side where you belong!" The young man being addressed escalated further, and began to yell things like, "You don't know where I live! I'm from [some other place], and you better not come around there!" I was horrified and mortified, and made a mental note of the number of the police car (#14) because I planned to call the police department and let them know about the inappropriateness of racial insults.

A few minutes later, a second police car (#16) pulls behind the first one and at first I think she is going to de-escalate the situation. She was speaking calmly and trying to calm the people down, but they kept yelling. For reasons that entirely escape me, the female officer got right in the people's faces and screamed, "STOP SHOUTING AT ME!" Bad form... very bad form. Of course, the people kept yelling and gesturing with their hands, and the female officer yelled, "Stop pointing at me!" When the woman didn't stop, the female officer grabbed the woman's hand and thrust it downward. I was thinking, 'Hoo boy, this is not good.'

The next step, of course, is that the man and woman get even /more/ upset, and the woman starts hollering about assault (justifiably) and the man starts hollering about how all cops are bitches and pigs and whatnot. Finally, in a fit of sheer stupidity, the man on the street yells, "I support terrorism against the Columbus Police Department!" and "I am going to bomb the police station if you arrest me." Brilliant, I know. So of course, the female officer asks for his ID, and he starts running away, and then I couldn't see anything (cars in the way), but the man is screaming, and they have him face down on the ground (the male and female officers) and they are yelling, "Stop resisting!" It was a horrible display of abuse of force. They cuffed the second guy, put him in the second car, and in the next minute or so, there were THREE more police cars and a police van.

When all was said and done, and every police officer had left except one who wasn't there at all, I walked over to him and asked if he was making a report. I told him I wanted to report some inappropriate behavior on the parts of the two officers. I told him what I saw, and what I thought about it, and he asked me if I wanted to make a statement. I said yes, and I wrote one, complete with name, address, and telephone number.

I feel good about sticking up for those people, and for pointing out flaws in the way the officers handled the situation. I feel good about doing what is right, and keeping my promise to myself to combat racism at every opportunity. I feel good about having the guts to confront the police officers, even though we are conditioned not to question anything they say or do. At the same time, I'm really nervous that I'm going to have some sort of star next to my name now, so that I get pulled over all the time for stupid things.

gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-11 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elspazz0.livejournal.com
good for you. were you alone? i think i would have needed some moral support to get my courage up in that situation. very strong of you.

Date: 2003-09-11 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sudrin.livejournal.com
While I certainly agree with you about the behavior of the first two officers, I think the third officer had to handle the situation the way she did. In a situation where the police cannot garner any respect from people they are dealing with, it is important to reassert some measure of dominance. The officers lives may be in danger in a situation where a mob mentality might occur. The officers also must take threats seriously wherever they come from. Statements such as "I support terrorism against the Columbus Police Department" is no different than telling an Officer "I hope you die!".

HOWEVER, after all is said and done, I think you were well within your rights to express your concerns to the officer. I certainly respect that you did that.

Re: gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-11 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Yes, I was alone. I'm unemployed and hanging around the house, of course! :)

Date: 2003-09-11 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
For the record, the man didn't start shouting about terrorism until after the female officer started yelling at them, and I definitely agree that it was a stupid thing to yell. God, when he said that, I was smacking myself. I wanted to yell, "Shut up! Shut up! You're giving them justification!"

Regardless, there was no need for her to get in their face like that. How is there a mob mentality with *2* people? After all, one of the other officers who came later talked the shouting woman down with little effort. He just talked to her with respect and listened to what she had to say. It's not rocket science.

Any person who is potentially involved with escalating individuals receives training on what to do and what not to do. Heck, I learned not to do any of those things in a freaking 3-hour workshop at my old job. Rule 1 - don't fuel the fire. Rule 2 - racial insults are wrong. Jeeze!

As for dominance, I simply don't agree with that at all. Yes, it is an officer's job to uphold the laws, and to control scenes. This was not scene control. These officers made the scene worse.

Date: 2003-09-11 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennbits.livejournal.com
Stories like this intensify my pride in the way my father (an assistant chief of police) handles emotionally charged situations.

Just recently, he had to deal with one of our drunk assed neighbors starting a fight that looked like it was going to lead to assualt with a very friendly other neighbor of ours. He wasnt' on duty.. hell he wasn't even in his city, but the way he reacted, controlled the situation, and dispelled all of the negative energy absolutely filled me to the brim with pride.

When he goes into cop mode, it's like he changes into someone I've never met before. It's sad to realize that there are so many few good cops left.. he says the same even of his own police force. To him, an old fashioned man, being a police officer isn't about the power that it is to the current generation.

I wonder when power became so much more important than mutual respect. People today are definitely very different than my father. He grew up in the 40s and early 50s and his morals are distinct and solidified. I wish that were more common, even in myself sometimes.

Date: 2003-09-11 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarnaddict.livejournal.com
Have I mentioned lately how much you inspire me to be a better person?

Re: gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-11 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elspazz0.livejournal.com
i like having unemployed friends. all of my employed friends are always "busy" with their stupid "jobs."

Date: 2003-09-11 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glowbug3355.livejournal.com
I'm soooo proud of my little Jude good job.

It's good to know there are people out there that do the right thing.

w00t!!

Date: 2003-09-11 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] opalexian.livejournal.com
j00 dun goot! YAY!!!! I woulda prolly just ended up getting in the yelling and getting arrested (not to mention giggling hystarically when they guy said he was gonna bomb the police dept...) I can't keep my fuckin mouth shut sometimes... ^_~

I am so glad I don't still live in Cols...I've seen cops do enough shit, and let us not forget that they had a FEDERAL lawsuit pending against them that was tied up in courts....until everyone's fave chimp said that was hooey and dismissed it! *grrr*

I have an FBI file, I'm sure of it...I went to an alternative school that was started by 'those damned dirty hippies,' so, yeah, most likely. ^_~

Date: 2003-09-11 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com
Good for you! That takes nerve.

And in turn for your good deed, I'll give you good news. Simon and Garfunkel are coming to Columbus!!!!!!!!

(And so is my mom and her groupie friend.)

And even better news, I wrote you a letter!!!!!!

Date: 2003-09-11 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smurfbrother.livejournal.com
You should follow up with a letter to the editor of the Klumbis newspaper.

Good job!

Date: 2003-09-11 05:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] saldemonium.livejournal.com
Way to go, Jude. I'm glad some people have the balls to stand up to people in authority, and do what's right. It makes me so proud to be a friend of yours.

*hugs*

Date: 2003-09-11 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michael622.livejournal.com
First, good for you. :)


Second, you might want to get in touch with your local ACLU office. You can find their contact information at www.aclu.org, and you can look under the section 'driving while black or brown' to get some information about this kind of thing if you're interested, which sadly and unfortunately happens all too often. I'm glad you were there.

props

Date: 2003-09-11 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k-g.livejournal.com
You did the right thing, Jude. And as for worry about whether or not you have a "gold star" next to your name... Remember, there are people living next door to police stations all over the country who robbed banks, raped children and murdered nuns and they can't be found.

I hardly think being "advocate for the oppressed" is going to make a blip on the Big Brother radar. :) If it does, I'll chip in on your bail money.

I'm proud of you!

Re: gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-11 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Dude, what's a "job"?

Date: 2003-09-11 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I wonder when power became so much more important than mutual respect.

I get so nervous when I hear about people, especially young people, going into the police force or the military. I wonder about their motives. I realize this is horribly shortsighted of me, and probably has little basis in reality, but the younger the police officer, the more nervous I am.

I bet your dad is fantastic.

Date: 2003-09-11 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
You're sweet.

Date: 2003-09-11 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Just for you.

Re: w00t!!

Date: 2003-09-11 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
PINKO COMMIE BASTARDS!

Date: 2003-09-11 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Oh my gosh, WHEN?!?!?

And you should come with your mom. You could all stay at my place. ;)

Date: 2003-09-11 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I doubt the Columbus Disgrace (http://www.dispatch.com) would run such a leftist letter, but it's worth a shot. Perhaps I'll send it to the alternative papers, too.

Date: 2003-09-11 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Damn, you people are going to swell my head so much I won't be able to wear tshirts!

Date: 2003-09-11 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Thanks, Jennie, I'll check it out!

Re: props

Date: 2003-09-11 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I hardly think being "advocate for the oppressed" is going to make a blip on the Big Brother radar.

You forget - these are the days of "Homeland Security" and the elimination of our civil rights. Le sigh.

But I'll keep you in mind if I ever need bail. :)

Date: 2003-09-11 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smurfbrother.livejournal.com
You never know...community outrage stuff like that sells, and that's of course the bottom line. Or, you could find out if they have an investigative reporter-type person (on local tv, too) and send them your story.

Re: gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-11 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elspazz0.livejournal.com
Apparently it's this thing that you go to really early in the morning.

At my particular "job" I have to wear a thing called a "suit" which is really "uncomfortable" and "i don't like it."

Re: gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-11 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Currently, I wake up and occasionally do some sort of "work" around the house.

Suckers.

Re: gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-11 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elspazz0.livejournal.com
I wish I could go to "bed" and get some damn "sleep" so that when I get to my "job" tomorrow I won't be a total "bitch".

Wow, quotation marks make anything funny

Date: 2003-09-11 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com
Mid-late October, I'll have to ask again.

I told her! I was like, "I have a friend in Columbus, and if you brought me and gave her two VIP tickets, I'm sure she'd put us up!"

I tried.

Meanwhile, I will be in school at that point. I was willing to skip it, but she said no. Pooh. I'll see them in December though.

Date: 2003-09-11 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poopsmoothie.livejournal.com
You rock so hard for doing that! Major, major kudos. If everyone who witnessed inappropriate police action was that responsible, there'd be a much small police brutality problem.

Date: 2003-09-11 11:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2003-09-12 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I know I've talked to you about this before... about how a lot of young (read: fresh out of high school) people seem to gravitate toward the police force or the military for the "status" or power, and the gun. *shudder*

Date: 2003-09-12 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
She said no? POO. No VIP tickets for me. :(

It would be fun to see S&G with YOU!

Date: 2003-09-12 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Although, I'm not terribly sure that the police department will even /care/ about my statement, because I'm sure it will all be rationalized away anyway. Bleh.

I guess I'd better start writing that letter to the editor.

Re: gold star for jude.

Date: 2003-09-12 09:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Wow, quotation marks make anything funny

"indeed"

Date: 2003-09-12 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carina-s.livejournal.com
YOU ROCK.

Date: 2003-09-12 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2003-09-13 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kat-chan.livejournal.com
I'm glad that you stood up for what is right, and hopefully they won't harass you for making a report on the officers. My biggest fear is they'll look at your name, think it's hispanic, and decide that you'd make a good target for harassment since you're "not white". Nope, I'm not cynical at all...

Date: 2003-09-13 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com
She did have a question for you about a certain neighborhood in Columbus, whether it was good or not.

Trust me, she's going to be travelling with her groupie friend, it would be so loud/crazy at your place anyway.

But yes, I would love to see S & G with you. We'll have to settle for Ani or Tegan and Sara or something. Come to the city as soon as you can!!!!!

Date: 2003-09-14 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Your mom can email me at smurfchick at livejournal dot com, and I will answer all of her Columbus questions and give her inside info.

If she would like to repay me for that information by helping her meet Paul, hell, that would be okay, too. ;)

When I get a job with money, I will come to the City!

Date: 2003-09-14 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was kind of worried about that, too. Or they'll think that, and decide to desregard my complaint.

Date: 2003-09-14 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kat-chan.livejournal.com
Yeah...it's terrible that the world has made us this cynical. :(

Date: 2003-09-20 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I hate to say this because it seems that you were doing what you thought was right, but you are wrong in so many ways. First of all, many blacks scream racism when they want to make a scene. I have a big problem with that. (The best way to keep yourself down is to LIKE it there) Screaming about 'racial profiling' is just as bad as 'sit your black ass down'. And because I use the term 'black', am I racist? The term 'african-american is ridiculous, politically-correct nonsense. In the REAL world, we use terms like black, white, asain, middle eastern, etc. Just remember, racism is perpetuated against everyone, but only blacks yell amd scream and whine about things until they are granted SPECIAL treatment. I don't hear asians doing that, although just as much racism is perpetuated against them. It's those who scream loudest that you are forced to pay attention to. It's sad, actually, that people would want to voluntarily segregate themselves. But back to the original subject, You don't know why the man was being arrested and the officer wasn't using excessive force, but you describe what you saw as 'atrocious'. I can't see your point. Do you think that the cops shouldn't be arresting people. Maybe if someone commits a crime against you, the cops can just tell you "well we know who did it, but we cant go arrest him, we may need to use force and then we'll be in trouble..so we'll just call him up and ask him to turn himself in, but other than that, our hands are tied." It seems thats what would make you happy. I can agree that most cops are bullies and bitches, but you had no idea why that man was being arrested. You mentioned that the woman was screaming at the second officer and waving her finger in her face...that would be assault and she could have been arrested. The officer was nice and simply pushed her hand down, using justifyable force, it is not assault. Familiarize yourself with the law before complaining about it. Then you say of the man who threatened to bomb the police station that you couldnt see what was happening while he was being arrested after he ran (more gronds for justifiable force), but you would like to make a complaint and report what you saw. Well which is it, did you see it or not? You cakll it a 'horrible display of abuse of force, but the guy essentially threatened to kill the entire police force. Not to mention that you said you couln't see what was going on. You truly are misguided. It seems to be that you are too idealistic and not a bit realistic. Cops abuse their power everyday, nothing you mentioned even came close to that. The officers could have arrested everyone there but chose not to. Screaming and yelling in the street at an officer while he is trying to make an arrest is grounds for arrest, even if the officer was doing something wrong, which isn't the case from what you have described. If you don't like the way our police officers do their job, if you don't agree with the legal system or the rule of law, or our society in general, do something about it. (making a illegitamate complaint is not doing something about it, by the way) There are much bigger problems in this world than a black man being arrested and you THINKING it was unjustified or based on race. There are children being blown to bits in wars, our president and attorney general are nazis and all of our freedoms are being taken away. So, you're free to be wrong for now, but for how long. Get a new hobby. Leftism requires some rationality and intelligenge.

Date: 2003-09-20 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Hey, thanks for letting everyone know who you are. At least I have the guts to put my name to my thoughts and actions.

1. The man was arrested for jaywalking, at an intersection with no crosswalks.

2. There is a continuum of racism, and Asians are closest to white people on that continuum.

3. The Columbus Police Department has a history of racial profiling against African Americans.

4. You weren't on my street corner that day, were you? I didn't think so.

Thank you, drive through. Next time leave your name, though. And use paragraphs.

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