Bad timing?

[judecorp]

Did THIS have to come to fruition at the same time as our engagement? Jeez.

I loathe this man and his smarmy, namby-pamby, sugar-coated, "it's for the /children/" discriminations. Asshat.

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[lemur68.livejournal.com]

What exactly does marriage need protecting FROM?

Most straight couples do a fine job of destroying the institution of marriage on their own.

[elspazz0.livejournal.com]

Duh.

Hooray for divorce!

[loudestprincess.livejournal.com]

He should call it "Be a Great, Big Bigot Week."
What an asshole. Like he doesn't have more pressing issues to take care of. Like Killing rainforests. Or making up shit about WMDs....

[purpleboots.livejournal.com]

What an asshat.

The thing that confuses me is that he included the sentence: "And we must continue our work to create a compassionate, welcoming society, where all people are treated with dignity and respect." Yeah, that's not exactly what he's doing.

[thatpatti.livejournal.com]

that makes me angry.

i'm all for marriage, and i do believe that children who grow up in a household where their parents are in a loving, committed relationship probably do fare better than those who don't.

what i don't get is why it makes a freaking difference what SEX those two people are? and how can we know if children who grow up in households with same-sex parents won't do better if same-sex marriage isn't allowed!?!?!

[thatpatti.livejournal.com]

He should call it "Be a Great, Big Bigot Week."


ha!

[cfred.livejournal.com]

It's things like that that make me like the Dixie Chicks more and more.

Between that and the anti-choice demonstration in Waco this weekend--with a Congressional candidate's ad banners in plain sight--I think I need to join the local Democratic Party just as a gesture aimed straight at the Republicans.

Serious question now. So, he wants to disrecognize any marriage not between a man and a woman. Canada is on the road to doing same-sex marriages. Marriage is pretty much a contract between the two parties. So, if he's selectively choosing which contracts forged in Canada to enforce, are there any ramifications with NAFTA?

[thespian.livejournal.com]

Canada is on the road to doing same-sex marriages.

No, we actually have them. I've attended some weddings, and helped organize more at Worldcon.

I've brought up the 'selective' recognition in the past, in my journal, but for the most part, they'll do like they have with the Netherlands, and simply say "well, that's nice that you did it. We won't recognize it." However, unlike the Netherlands, which don't have nearly as much back and forth traffic with the US, I know that some of the people who were married at the worldcon were doing it in order to specifically contest things at 'home'; ie, 'if you recognize those people who went and got married in Vancouver because it's pretty, you need to recognize us, too.' The legal issues will be hammered out soon, I'm sure.

(NAFTA is a trade agreement, btw, and it has no bearing on this issue. We're hardly trading homosexuals around, like cards, or softwood lumber (much as perhaps Bush would like to sell them all to us at discount...))

[thespian.livejournal.com]

dammit. I just posted this, but I'm having problems finding the server, and I lost it. So forgive me if this seems curt, but I already wrote this out once.

• Canada isn't on the road to doing same-sex marriages; we have them
• There are some people who have been getting married in Toronto *specifically* to challenge the issue of whether the US government can ignore some marriage contracts but not others. I doubt they'll have any more success than the people who have been married in the Netherlands who have brought the same legal challenges up have, but if nothing else, it's a lot easier to come here and do it than go to Europe, so there will be *more* of them
• NAFTA is a trade agreement. It covers softwood lumber, not homosexuals. Much as your president may *want* to sell us your queers, a republican a century and a quarter ago took his right to do that away. Poor George.

[bistronaut.livejournal.com]

NPR recently had a really good story about Mr. Bush's current "marriage protection" initiative. (this (http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1419705) might be it - can't listen to it right now to confirm) Apparently, he is trying to make it so the U.S. won't recognize same-sex marriages from other countries.

GWB is just a thinly disguised Christian fundamentalist. All his "faith-based" bullshit pisses me off. He hates atheists (like me), although he mostly keeps his mouth shut about that now. He's all about "traditional family values". Through John Ashcroft he's trampled all over our personal freedoms, especially the ones that protect us against an over-zealous police force. To top it off he even spends more money than any Democratic president ever did.

Is everybody registered to vote?

[gaby723.livejournal.com]

Hi Jude :) I've been stalking your journal for awhile. We met at the LJ meet up back in April, I think?

I hate all the hub-bub that's been going on about not legalizing gay marriages. Everyone wants to say marriage is a "sacred union." If it's so sacred why is the divorce rate like above 50%, ya know? Really irks me.

[lemur68.livejournal.com]

GWB is just a thinly disguised Christian fundamentalist.

There's nothing disguised about it. The only thing thinly disguised about Shrub is his chimpanzee DNA.

[sudrin.livejournal.com]

Don't let it bother you. Actually in a way its kind of cool it happens at the same time.. it has a certain air of defiance. I'm sure his administration is also against large breasts and he's just waiting until I find some to have a "Breast Reduction Week". ;-)

[jadefu.livejournal.com]

I'll just add once again that it's W's "sacred marriage" bullshit that just pisses me off. I heard about Mr. Asshat's marriage protection week shit, but I hadn't actually read the announcement. What a bunch of crap.

I'm straight, not stupid. He's not pulling this shit with me. I have so have enough of this "we know what's best for your moral values" crapola. Time for me to get off my duff and start going to those Dean meetups or something. Btw, my own wedding anniversary is this Friday, and apparently it needs protecting, since we have no children and all that.

And when is the MA Supreme Court going to make the decision about gay marriage, anyhow? That's going to start a REAL fight, if that's what Mr. President wants. (aka Asshat)

[hoo.livejournal.com]

I don't believe he actually has any faith. He is thinly disguised as a Fundy extremist. Underneath he's an alcoholic.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

First off, happy anniversary!

I think that people who worry about other people's marriages have their heads up their asses. While I agree that some people go into commitments for the wrong reasons, or don't work as hard as they can, or a whole host of other things, that hardly means that we need to restructure how we think about marriage.

After all, back in "the day" (the 50s that the fundies are so fond of), people stayed in bad relationships because they thought they didn't have options. Thank goodness for options!

Rowr.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

Ha ha ha ha! Breast Reduction Week! You are a hoot! :)

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

I remember you, Gaby! You were a cute patootie and you were sitting next to spacecadetjen. :)

A funny thing about divorce, though: No one ever talks about it, but divorce is actually a /benefit/ of legal marriage. The right (and ability) to have your relationship's demise mediated and legislated is an /enormous/ benefit, and can offer SO MANY legal protections. Visitation of children? Equitable distribution of joint property? Priceless.

If marriage is so darned sacred, why is it a LEGAL CONTRACT? Really, if you're /so/ devoted to each other and /so/ serious about your commitment, why do you need it to be legally binding? Don't you trust each other? =P

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

Apparently, he is trying to make it so the U.S. won't recognize same-sex marriages from other countries.

He's already doing that. A couple of men who were legally married in Canada recently tried to come into the US using one customs form (which is how it works for families) - and they were refused.

"Traditional family values" is a crackpot scheme to romanticize the 1950s. Yeah, the 1950s: with Valium as "Mother's Little Helper," with domestic violence as "their business"... GREAT.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

While I know there are some very successful single parents, most of them have some sort of good family support system, because it's pretty ubiquitous knowledge that the more good people that can help with child raising, the better. It really DOES take a whole village to raise a child.

Two parents ease the stress on each other, and that's ALWAYS beneficial. Heck, if two friends wanted to raise a kid together, I think that could work, too!

I really do believe that the #1 thing a caregiver needs to raise a child well is love. And if TWO people are involved, heck, that's double the love!

I am infuriated at the idea that I would have been an ideal mother when I was married to Aaron, but I've suddenly become incapable of appropriate parenting because I'm a) not married and b) with a woman.

Shnah!

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

It actually is already legal in Canada - it had been legalized in a few provinces, and the prime minister approved it nationally (though I'm not sure if it's gone into effect in all of Canada yet). Right now, we could go up to Ontario and just plain get married.

However, the US is refusing to recognize the same-sex marriages occuring in Canada. Recently, a couple who were married in Canada (two men) tried to come into the US using one customs form (it's one form per family) - and the US refused to let them file the same stupid form. It's just a custom form, and the US was like, "Nope. You're not married here. Get two forms."

Retards.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

It actually is already legal in Canada - it had been legalized in a few provinces, and the prime minister approved it nationally (though I'm not sure if it's gone into effect in all of Canada yet). Right now, we could go up to Ontario and just plain get married.

However, the US is refusing to recognize the same-sex marriages occuring in Canada. Recently, a couple who were married in Canada (two men) tried to come into the US using one customs form (it's one form per family) - and the US refused to let them file the same stupid form. It's just a custom form, and the US was like, "Nope. You're not married here. Get two forms."

Retards.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

Asshat.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

It actually is already legal in Canada - it had been legalized in a few provinces, and the prime minister approved it nationally (though I'm not sure if it's gone into effect in all of Canada yet). Right now, we could go up to Ontario and just plain get married.

However, the US is refusing to recognize the same-sex marriages occuring in Canada. Recently, a couple who were married in Canada (two men) tried to come into the US using one customs form (it's one form per family) - and the US refused to let them file the same stupid form. It's just a custom form, and the US was like, "Nope. You're not married here. Get two forms."

Retards.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

Yeah, no joke.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

YEAH!

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

The right to a divorce is one of the most powerful benefits of marriage.

[loudestprincess.livejournal.com]

Remember, he "respects" gays, he just doesn't want them to be happy.

Now that I've seen "Asshat" in about half of my friends' entries, I feel compelled to make an alternative list of terms. Like Butt Chapeau. or Rectum Cap.

[purpleboots.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes. I forgot that his stance was "it's okay if they are gay, but they don't deserve the same rights as us breeders." Silly me.

Ha. The list of alternatives seems fun. Can offshoots like "shit toupe" or "butt bonnet" be submitted?

[loudestprincess.livejournal.com]

What I'm having trouble understanding is why he feels it so necessary to make big proclamations about how "not right" gay marriage is. Why is he so bothered by this? And what exactly is marking this as more important to him right now than say, oh I don't know, stopping whomever leaked the CIA agent's identity?

It's not like the gays of America are threatening to bulldoze the White House...

[loudestprincess.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHA!!! Hell yes! I love Butt Bonnet!
:D

[loudestprincess.livejournal.com]

That reminds me of a margerine commercial:

"Everything's Better With Butt Bonnet On It!"

;)

[kat-chan.livejournal.com]

Even worse is how it was "perfectly" timed to coincide with National Coming Out Week. Asses.

[judecorp.livejournal.com]

Yep! :(