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I just typed this in for the Bisexual Community. I want it here, too. Yes.


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The following article by Jennifer Vanasco was printed in the August 5-11, 1999 issue of the BayWindows newspaper.

~Afraid of Bisexuals?~

We are afraid of bisexuals. Gay men, lesbians and straight men and women are united in this, if nothing else. How else to explain the way we treat bisexuals? We ignore them in the names of our organizations - National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, National Lesbian and Gay Journalists' Association, Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. We ignore them in our newspapers, referring almost unilaterally to the "gay and lesbian community" - or just "gay community," which is worse. In the same way that women were once expected to see their own reflections in the words "man" and "he," we now expect bisexuals to look at "lesbian" and "gay" and see shadows of themselves.

If transgendered people are the divas of our community, then bisexuals are the invisible stagehands. We don't want to admit they exist - or worse, that we might be they.

After all, many of us who self-identify as "gay" and "lesbian" have had romantic relationships with members of the opposite sex, often fulfilling, wonderful relationships.

When Anne Heche decided she was in love with Ellen DeGeneres, we smiled and spoke about the transforming power of love, welcoming her into the family. When JoAnn Loulan found her soulmate in a man, we were bitter, angry, scorned. We pushed her aside.

If someone has a same-sex romantic or sexual experience - for example, Eleanor Roosevelt - we ignore their heterosexual side and claim them as our own. But when men who loved men turn to women, or when women who loved women turn to men, we abandon them while they still identify with us. Straight friends who appreciate our community but always stay straight are patted on the back. Gay men and lesbians who "turn straight" are exiled.

Bisexuals can't win. Straights see them as swingers. Gays and lesbians view them as indecisive. "Make a choice already," we sigh or shriek. While our rhetoric explaining why straights should accept those with a same-sex sexual orientation is all about love, when bisexuals with opposite-sex partners edge into our community, we fuss over straight privilege.

Why we do this is no secret. Partly, we worry that the term "bisexuality" allows people to have same-sex flings and then to slip unobtrusively into straight society without ever making the tough commitment to publicly come out into the gay and lesbian life.

Partly we don't want to include bisexuals in our community because we believe that our political identity (and thus our clout) depends on firm boundaries. Defining the gay and lesbian community is difficult - Do you have to actually have sex with someone of the same sex to be gay or lesbian? Could you be celibate? It is easier to define us by what we're not: we're not leather people, not transgendered, not bisexual, etc.

First, let's dispel a myth. Being bisexual means one has the capacity to love people of either sex - it doesn't mean that bisexuals are incapable of being satisfied with just a man or just a woman, or that bisexuals must have one of each at the same time. This might seem obvious, but I know many women who call themselves lesbians because they are currently in a lesbian relationship. They view "lesbian" as a temporary title, not a phase exactly, but a way to describe how they feel and behave now.

One woman told me that she couldn't be bisexual because, "It's not like I would be interested in both men and women at the same time." Another said that the word bisexual is too loaded, that she fears becoming an outcast from the lesbian community she loves.

Maybe, therefore, our avoidance of bisexuality is largely an issue of semantics. Just as many of us cringe at the word "queer," the word "bisexual" may make us flinch - it has too many dark connotations, seeming shady, slippery and very different from the ordinariness of our lives. We don't like the word so we don't like the people - but this is unfair. Like lesbians and gay men, bisexuals are beaten up, fired from their jobs and denied housing because of their sexual orientation. But unlike lesbians and gay men, bisexuals have no bisexual bars in which to seek solace at the end of the day, and only a few scattered organizations to support and nurture them.

There should be a natural affinity between bisexuals and the gay and lesbian community - and sometimes there is. My partner Kristina tells me that she recently met an undergraduate who said that most women at her liberal arts institution identify not as lesbian but as "bisexual" or "pansexual."

Why has the trend of identifying as bisexual not permeated more of the gay and lesbian community? Perhaps we are set in our ways. Perhaps we are afraid. After all, we have already put ourselves outside society once - to do so again, especially when it is a society we feel so comfortable with, seems radical and threatening. Perhaps we are truly gay and lesbian and not bisexual at all - though this seems doubtful.

I'm not denying the reality of a gay or lesbian sexual orientation. I just think there are more of us in the murky middle than on the clear edges - we just won't admit it. In fact, we try so hard not to explore the heterosexual aspects of our personality that we ostracize those who have, and who have found that they like it.

Let us take the time to again examine our identities - are we closet bisexuals? Some of us surely are. Some of us are not. But let us remember that bisexuals are our brothers and sisters in our movement. Their issues - equality, ending discrimination, seeking justice - are our issues. We cannot exclude them just because it is awkward to add "bisexual" to the names of our organizations; we cannot ignote them because "GLBT" is too hard to say.

Copyright 1999 Jennifer Vanasco. Reprinted with permission. [j-vanasco@uchicago.edu]

Date: 2001-08-27 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juliann.livejournal.com
I'm more concerned that we have to put labels on ourselves at all. Whether Bi- Pan- or otherwise.

Date: 2001-08-27 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankarma.livejournal.com
WHile I agree with you on the point that we shouldn't HAVE to label ourselves, we live in a world where we DO, unfortunately. Because if we don't, somebody else surely will, and I'd rather be referred to as something I like to call myself than what some bigot decides is my classification.

While we're on the subject of classification, can someone tell me what "pansexual" means?

Date: 2001-08-27 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I tend to use the word "pansexual" when I'm pinned down and asked 'What ARE you?' It is probably one of those words that means different things to different people.

To me, though, "pansexual" differs from "bisexual," as the latter refers to the potential to engage in meaningful romantic/emotional relationships with either men or wimmin. "Pansexual," however, would include transgendered or gender fluid people who may not feel that the words "male" or "female" succinctly define them at this time.

Date: 2001-08-27 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I used to be a big proponent of the 'labels are for canned food!' camp, especially when I was young and idealistic and believed that if I willed something hard enough, I could make it so. Now I am a little older and know it takes a little more work than that.

In my perfect world, people would just be and we wouldn't need labels. Not just for sexual orientation, but for gender expression and other things, too. However, we haven't reached my perfect world (yet). People label me every day. As long as they are going to do that, I might as well have one of MY choosing, rather than theirs.

'They' are still free to call me whatever they want, but it gives me something to rebut, something that shows that I've likely put a liiiiittle bit more time into myself than they have.

Date: 2001-08-27 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kungfoogirl.livejournal.com
There is a whole school of post-modern feminist philosophy that pretty much says "Fuck Labels". If we don't have label, no one can use them against us... so let's just slowly remove these labels from our lives.

But the problem isn't necessarily the labels themselves. In George Orwell's 1984, Big Brother creates a language that all the citizens are speak. Newspeak doesn't contain any words that might let the speaker express "unacceptable" thoughts. If the government didn't want you thinking about gays and lesbians, they could just remove the word.

The problem was that removing the word only removed peoples ability to articulate their thoughts. It didn't stop the thoughts themselves. So removing the labels doesn't stop the bigotry (either from withing the GLBT community, or from society as a whole). It just makes it a little more difficult for them to come up with catchy slurs to use against us. And it denies us of a way of classifying our selves for the purposes of legal action (and legal protection), support groups, academic research, social change, etc... We can't use the label for good uses either.

I think that this whole idea just smacks of Foucault-like systems of oppression. We're diluting our labels by blurring the lines between one label and the next. The word "gay" has been so mis-used over the years that it means totally different things to different people. How can you rally behind a label that no longer really defines anything. The labels are starting to lose their usefullness. But what is the alternative? To exclude people so that we have nice tidy boxes for everyone to fit into? That diesn't work either.

We've kind of got this "Flea Market Gay-Rights Activism" happening. We can choose any one of a thousand flavors of activism within our community, and find a healthy following for it. But it seems to me that over-arching Equal Rights movement is faltering a little. The same thing is happening to feminism. It's too fragmented to be of much use as a whole.

Anyways, that's MY rant. The slightly pessimistic view of a wishy-washy Libra girl who took WAY too many womens studies/feminist philosophy classes. =)

Date: 2001-08-27 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
We've kind of got this "Flea Market Gay-Rights Activism" happening. We can choose any one of a thousand flavors of activism within our community, and find a healthy following for it. But it seems to me that over-arching Equal Rights movement is faltering a little. The same thing is happening to feminism. It's too fragmented to be of much use as a whole.

I wish there was a way to fragment AND unify. I know, I can't help it, I'm a Libra too. :) But seriously...

I find comfort in the bi- and pansexual communities in ways I don't necessarily connect with the G&L community as a whole. Then again, I also feel more comfortable in a group of women when discussing sexuality, too. So people like to be understood, and surround themselves with likeminded people. There's nothing wrong with that.

However, when we're talking about overarching civil rights, we should ALL be unified. We should ALL be fighting. And not just the people who see themselves in a letter on a chain (somewhere in the alphabet soup we call LGBTIQ-whatever), but everyone.

We're not free until EVERYONE is free. So I will fight alongside gay men and lesbians and bisexuals and pansexuals and transgendered people and questioning people and straight people and purple people and everyone else. But at the same time, give me a little circle of people who understand where I stand in the world, and every once in a while that helps a lot, too.

(And I think labels help with that. Because it helps us identify ourselves a little. And because it can spark dialogue. Like this!)

Date: 2001-08-27 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-marionette.livejournal.com
I forget where I heard read this but one mother who's daughter was bisexual proudly proclaimed, "I'm not bisexual. I'm unbiased."

Date: 2001-08-27 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-marionette.livejournal.com
Oopse, hit the post comment button by mistake. I don't know why people are so afraid of labels anyway because every adjective in the human language can be a "label" of some kind. "Bisexual" "gay" or "lesbian" are all viewed as labels but isn't "young" or "tall" or "human" a label too?

Date: 2001-08-27 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
If only we could all be unbiased.

Sigh.

My Perfect World.

Date: 2001-08-27 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Good point.

And nothing at all exists without comparison. We have 'young' because we have 'old.' We have 'tall' because we have 'short.' We have these sorts of concepts that don't mean anything without other people to compare them with.

So in that sense, maybe all of the alphabet letters in the queer community serve a beneficial purpose. To compare, and to make parts of a whole.

How Zen.

Date: 2001-08-27 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-meta.livejournal.com

Why we do this is no secret. Partly, we worry that the term "bisexuality" allows people to have same-sex flings and then to slip unobtrusively into straight society without ever making the tough commitment to publicly come out into the gay and lesbian life.

So is political activity and visibility the key to acceptance from the gay community? (Perhaps the gay community would care to comment?)

At the risk of sounding flaky... (divergence)

Date: 2001-08-27 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-meta.livejournal.com

Has anyone studied the statistical distribution of astrological sun signs in the bisexual population? I ask because there seem to be an awful lot of libran bisexuals around.

(OK, I admit it, me too.)

From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Ha ha ha. That amuses me. I should make an LJ poll.

I've been told by some of those bogus online tests that there are more Libran androgynes. But who knows? I love fake statistics. I will make one up now.

97% of all people in the world are in love with me.

On using labels

Date: 2001-08-27 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noog.livejournal.com
I've constantly gone back and forth on the issue of labels. Initially, I labeled myself bisexual because I felt that I loved people, not men or women per se. I also felt that to label myself a lesbian was to deny the fact that I had felt attraction to men, and to fence myself in as much as the straight label had once fenced me in, by only allowing me to acknowledge and act on my attractions to other women.

As time passed, though, I came to realize how loaded a term "bisexual" really was, all the expectations and stereotypes that came along with it, and I began to hate the notion of labels at all.

Now, I feel the need to take up the bisexual label again and wear it proudly. I need to take it up because if I don't use it and define it, someone else is going to use it and define it for me. I am bisexual. I am not an experimental straight woman; I am not a lesbian in denial. Calling myself bisexual allows me to set and define my own boundaries, to declare myself separate from the straight and gay labels. Being bisexual does not make me half gay, or somewhat straight, or in the middle of the Kinsey scale or whatever spectrum is used to "measure" sexuality; it puts me in a different bracket altogether, one of my choosing.

I still think that labels can be dangerous, and I wonder if one day they might not be able to be abolished, but right now I wear that label proudly and use it as a weapon against any prejudice that anyone might want to throw at me.

Re: On using labels

Date: 2001-08-27 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
What I think is amazing is the way labels /grow/. I am friends with a lovely girl here who, while bisexual, tended to only date women. She started calling herself a 'lesbian-identified bisexual.' Umm... what did that mean? She stopped using that moniker, though, when she was in her first long-term relationship with a man. It was confusing.

I mean, does that make me a 'currently-married-to-a-man-but-also-skirt-chasing bisexual'? Or should I just be a 'hey! look-at-me-I-got-dumped-and-I'm-jonesing-for-emotional-contact-and-smooches bisexual'? Does it need to be qualified?

However, when I was a Professional Queer , I always made it a point to let people know that I wasn't a lesbian. Not because there's anything wrong with that - but because that can't even begin to entirely describe who I am.

I read a story once by a brilliant friend. Coming out wasn't the subject of the story, but there was a brief snippet mentioning one of the characters, and how one character was glad that the other had come out over a year ago, because that first year is spent completely absorbing into 'the community' and eating/sleeping/breathing gayness. I don't ever want to be absorbed like that, into one tiny segment of who I am.

I'm me.

Date: 2001-08-27 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noog.livejournal.com
I think you're right: your first year of being out is all about absorbing as much gayness as you possibly can. I don't know how sure I can be of this, since my year of outness only ended *checks calendar* 22 days ago, but even in that short time I find what you're saying to be true.

Maybe that's why I had all these problems with my label up until now. I tried so hard to absorb myself into the GL(BTQIA) community that I wanted to make myself into a lesbian in order to feel like I fit in better. I went for a whole year with rarely if ever thinking about men as potential attractions, partially because I'd never given my attraction to women free rein before, partially because I spent so much of that year in relationships and tried to keep myself from thinking about anyone other than the person I was with, and partially because I let myself believe all the stereotypes the gay community has about bisexuals.

These days, I think I'm becoming more confident in who I am, and allowing myself to just see where my attractions lead. I don't need anybody to tell me who I am. I'm a person, not a label, and I will do what I feel is right for me, not for a non-inclusive movement.

Individual identity and individual rights. That's what it's all about.

Date: 2001-08-28 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I think that happens. You were looking for acceptance of the part of you that wasn't accepted before. That part was the part that loved women. So you dove into it headfirst. You didn't necessarily need support in your attractions for men - because that was expected, that was "normal."

But after a year of living where being attracted to men was the anathema, well, now you're needing support on the other side.

Oh, the life of a switch-hitter is never easy. :)

The part I hate the most is the assumptions, though. If I have a female partner, I'm a lesbian. If I have a male partner, I'm straight. And if I should have both? Well then, obviously, I'm either confused or selfish.

I'm glad you're gaining confidence. I think you're pretty amazing. 19. Wow. I wish I had half your guts.

Date: 2001-08-28 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I think there's a stigma in the gay community against being closeted. As if one is "less gay" if they are not out yet.

But I don't know.

Date: 2001-08-28 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noog.livejournal.com
I got that a lot my freshman year of college. I spent much of that year in a relationship with... actually s/he was genderqueer, but people assumed based on hir... biology, I suppose... that s/he was a woman. And of course, dating a woman made me a lesbian. It didn't matter how open I was about my bisexuality, it didn't matter if I told people about the boys on campus that I found attractive... I was a lesbian, and that was that.

One of my supersupportive friends made her straight and largely ignorant of GLBT affairs boyfriend attend a workshop I set up on bisexuality. Apparently, it had never occurred to him that I was bi because he thought that bi people always dated men and women simultaneously. *laugh* Does he have no conception of rejection, or of how much coordination that would take? "Sorry, Bob, I think you're a really great guy, but I can't go out with you because I don't have a girlfriend to balance you out." It's funny, but horribly pathetic at the same time, how ignorant some people can be.

Date: 2001-08-28 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Sometimes, though, I could see the draw.

When I got married, or, well, right before (about two months before), I got really scared that I would never be with a woman again. So (perfectly consentually, I should clarify) I had a brief little lovely fling with a lovely girl. I was scared, though, that that was it.

Now, I'm not saying I could coordinate a well-balanced dating life. :) But I can see how even the stereotype holds a little pull for me. I think, though, that that is because right now I *am* selfish and I *should* be selfish, and want to date, and all kinds of things, because my nearly 6 year monogamous (except for that one time) relationship is over.

But I digress. I think there should be more workshops on bisexuality, both for the straight and gay/lesbian communities. Like, what's this about being attracted to everyone? I'm sorry - I'm shallow and selective and picky. I only go after cute people. Cute boys, girls, and genderqueers, yes, but they have to be *cute*.

I have a button on my backpack that reads, 'I'm bisexual and I'm not attracted to you.' And most of the time, that's true. 'Cept for you, noog-y, of course. :)

Ignorance /can/ be funny. But it needs to be stopped by the people in the know. A tremendous burden, sure, but worth it. :)

Date: 2001-08-28 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noog.livejournal.com
I'm not saying that there's anything either wrong or impossible with dating a man and a woman at the same time... sometimes I want to do the same thing. I don't think I'm polyamorous though; I have too much of a jealousy problem to even consider it. The thing is, I see so many people at my college who are engaged or married, and I get frightened at the fact that I am now considered an adult and therefore of an age where I can/should consider settling down. I want to make sure I experience it all before I settle down. Sure, I'm only 19, and I have vowed to myself not to even consider marriage or lifelong commitment at least until I'm 26, but I'm always afraid that a relationship will evolve into something more before I'm ready.

There definitely needs to be more workshops on bisexuality. As far as I know, there is only one professor who has taught classes exclusively on bisexuality, and she now only teaches part-time. I'm fighting an uphill battle at my college to try and change a class called "Gay and Lesbian Identities" to be bi- and trans-inclusive, and in every queer retreat/workshop I've been to, there has not been a single bisexual keynote speaker.

And the gay community especially needs some education. At many of the workshops I've been to, I've seen gay people stare down, cringe, and mutter curses under their breath at couples they assumed to be heterosexual (my bi best friend and her straight boyfriend included). A little tolerance, I think, is in order.

Date: 2001-08-29 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I'm about to turn 26. Wait much later than that!! :) Heh. No, kidding, but you never know what can happen. I'm living proof.

I helped coordinate a conference here to education social service providers on GLBT issues. There was nothing about bisexuality at all. There was very little on lesbian health as well. And nearly nothing that even acknowledged trans- issues. There was a lot of stuff about "gay health and AIDS apathy" - we went to that one, 6 of us women who helped organize the conference, and the man leading the session only had AIDS/HIV stats for *men*. We were floored! PFLAG pisses me off a lot of the time, too, for almost entirely neglecting bisexual and transgendered youth. Phooey.

I made it my mission to educate my little section of the gay community when I was still working at Stonewall. YES, I was married. To a man. But NO, I wasn't straight. Is it that confusing? You'd think I was trying to explain relativity to a kindergarten class sometimes.

Le sigh. I have never seen a bisexual keynote speaker either, actually. Our conference did, however, have a woman of color as the keynote, and I was glad for that.

Date: 2001-08-29 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noog.livejournal.com
I hate how few health resources there are out there for lesbians or for any woman who engages in sexual activity with another woman. Every health resource I see for the supposed queer community has to do with gay men and AIDS. How are queer women supposed to know how at risk they are for STDs? How are they supposed to know where to go for health resources? Condoms are everywhere, but where does a woman go if she needs a female condom or a dental dam? You don't see those sold at, say, Wal-Mart. And how many queer women out there don't use protection when they're with other women because they don't know how much of a risk they're at, or even that such protection doesn't exist? I admit I've been unprotected before, and that I have no idea what kind of risk lesbians run of catching AIDS and other STDs compared with other populations.

And if I know little about the risks and options for queer women, I know even less about trans health issues. That kind of information just isn't readily available. One thing I do know, and this angers me: while MTF genital conversion surgeries are fairly advanced, FTM surgeries are primitive, and don't see any sign of developing further. That angers me. And imagine how much angrier I would be if I knew just how much was being covered up...

When I was considering coming out to my parents, I looked all over the internet at all the major queer resource sites for a bisexual coming out guide. Guess what? They don't exist. There are gay and lesbian coming out guides all over the place, but not a single bisexual one in sight. And there are a few questions that might be especially pertinent to bi people that other coming out guides don't cover, such as, how do you answer your parents when they ask why you can't just act only on your attractions to the opposite sex? Trans coming out guides exist, but are scarce.

The big organizations need a major overhaul before they can even consider themselves to be queer advocacy groups. PFLAG, GLAAD, GLSEN... I don't care if it screws up the acronyms. They need to change their names and their policies to show support for all queer people. And the HRC needs to put its (vast amounts of) money where its mouth is, and campaign for the rights of all humans, not just gays and lesbians who can afford their services.

You are a wise womyn.

Date: 2001-08-29 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
You know, it's true. I have no idea where one would go to /buy/ dental dams. I know that I can go to my youth drop-in center, or the place I used to work, and there are some. I know that you can go to the Columbus Health Department. You can probably go to the Columbus AIDS Task Force. But can you buy them? At a store? Preferably a 24 hour store? And there's always Saran Wrap, in a pinch.

But you know, I've never had safe sex with a woman. And I'm one of those people that jumps up and down and says, 'I've never had unsafe sex!' Phooey. The fact of the matter is that the chance of HIV transmission from woman to woman is VERY small -- but it is STILL a possibility, and needs to be acknowledged.

Women's health clinics would also have these things, I would imagine. And hopefully better statistics.

And you're right about the coming out stuff. I think, in a lot of ways, it's harder to come out as bisexual because parents always have 'hope'. Hope that you will decide to settle with someone of the opposite sex. Hope that when you DO settle with someone of the opposite sex, you'll forget you're queer. Hope that it really /was/ a phase. I have a friend who came out lesbian. She's recently realized she also likes men. She dreads telling her parents because she spent SO much time getting her parents to accept her loving women, and she's afraid that will all go down the toilet. We should write a coming out guide. I wonder if the Bisexual Resource Center (http://www.biresource.org) has one? I should look.

And A-effing-men on the HRC. THe HRC makes people so complacent. They write checks and get newsletters and the people they're working for are only the people who can afford to keep writing checks. You are so right. Campaign for the rights of ALL humans. Yes!

Date: 2001-08-29 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noog.livejournal.com
I got in a big debate with some of the other people in my GLBT campus group over the HRC. There's a big faction in our group who feels that we should tone down our politics in order to win a few small battles with the administration and to get more people to come to our meetings. Many people in our group wanted to sign up to get newsletters from the HRC for ways to get involved in GLBT activism outside of Knox and Galesburg. I was one of a few people who said that the HRC didn't represent a broad enough group of people, and that if we were going to get into something of that type, we should either choose another advocacy group with which to affiliate ourselves or work with the Amnesty International group on campus. Unfortunately, I lost that battle. But next year, I'm coming back with a vengeance. *evil laugh*

I would love to help with a bisexual coming out guide. I don't know how much help I could be-- I'd be just as interested in the information we find as in contributing to the answers themselves-- but it needs to be done, and it needs to be out there. If you're serious about wanting to write one, count me in.

Hmmm

Date: 2001-08-31 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] memememememe.livejournal.com
I don't even think it should matter. As long as one is a good person and doesn't harm anyone, that is all that should matter.

People should just mind their own business.

Re: Hmmm

Date: 2001-09-01 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Well yeah, that should be humanity's motto.

Unfortunately, it's not.

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