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judecorp ([personal profile] judecorp) wrote2006-01-31 09:10 pm

The Last Straw?

Tonight may very well have been my last foray into babysitting. I am just too old and too busy to deal with this crap.

Today E was in rare form and decided that in addition to telling me that she doesn't like me and that I am not her friend (these are standards which I translate as "I wish my moms were home"), she opted to also tell me to shut up several times. And spit at me. And hit me in the face. And kicked me.

When I told her that I was not going to read her any bedtime stories if she did not brush her teeth, she busted out in a cry so loud that one of her moms came down from the third floor (they were having their "date" up there tonight, I don't really know why, something about supposedly trying to come up with a plan for what to do with the mysterious third floor) and said she was "rescuing" me, and then deadpanned, "I don't know if we can ever pay you enough money." She ended up giving me my usual amount of money for an hour less babysitting, and I think she was sufficiently mortified when she heard E tell me that she was going to pull all of my earrings out, and all about how she wouldn't hit X person or Y person, just me.

And I told them that we would have to chat before next week, because I wasn't sure I was the best fit for their babysitting needs. I like the spending money, sure, but I already work more than 50 hours/week and I just don't need to be abused in my free time. I don't like the money THAT much.

[identity profile] snack.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
yeeesh.

sounds like a kid who needs help.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I think she's desperate for some extra time with her parents. I don't know their whole situation, but I'm pretty sure she's being extra mean to me so that I'll stop coming back and they'll stop going out once a week.

[identity profile] thatpatti.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
that is just insane. i can't imagine continuing to ask someone to babysit my child when they are being treated that way. if anything, i would want to be present when the child had any contact with you so that i could discipline/work through the behavior with her.

i would just DIE if fisher ever acted like that! DIE!

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
They feel really awful about it. Since she's never hit or anything before, I'm sure they just felt bad about the "I don't like you" stuff but I never really made a big deal about it - just told them that it was happening and let them deal with it. (I've heard them try, talking to her about not being mean and about hurting people's feelings and about letting someone know when you're angry, etc.)

I had given them a heads-up last week that I had been doing some major thinking about whether or not I wanted to continue babysitting if things escalated. I told them I realized that I was 30 years old and was way too old to be mocked for money. They're definitely mortified.

I think Mama hit it right on the head when she asked E, "Do you think that if you're really mean to Jude she will stop coming over and you won't have a babysitter?" She didn't answer but it's not like her parents aren't aware of the issues. When she says mean things to me in from of parents, they always say something (though I'm not sure if they have any discipline strategies other than talking).

I think, personally, that they need to take a break from going out every week, because it obviously is causing a problem with E. Then again, I also wonder if they /do/ start staying home, that she'll just learn that if she's mean enough, she'll get her way.

[identity profile] thatpatti.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, that's a tough call (and one i'm finding i have to make on a daily basis to one degree or another). :\

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
They need to sit down and make some decisions, I think. I'd be more than happy to chat with them about MY end of it, but it's all on them.

I wonder what would happen if they got another babysitter. Maybe s/he would get a different reaction.

[identity profile] buddhafly4224.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
yeah man. not all kids are innocent and sweet. just like people, some of them are just BAD.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think she's a bad kid... but I /do/ think that she doesn't want me to babysit. Probably because she doesn't want her parents to leave.

Part of me can't really blame her - I mean, she's in child care all day during the work week, and then one night a week she comes home from child care, spends an hour or so with parents, and then they leave again? That's gotta be tough.

She doesn't act like this to anyone but me. And I don't think she gets babysat by anyone else. Certainly not on a weekly basis.

[identity profile] buddhafly4224.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
perhaps it's just the way you've portrayed her then. but yeah it does totally suck when a child needs their parents so bad they act out. mostly because they have no real way of dealing with feelings like that.

another reason why i'm not having kids. i would want to be a full time (to the limit) mommy and i just couldn't do that. it seems impossible to me.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's possible to be a busy working person and still be a good parent. I don't think they're bad parents, and I don't think this will always be a big deal. I /do/ think it is a big deal right now, though, and their lack of action has exacerbated the situation.

They have kind of crazy lives/careers... no real set schedule kind of. It's tough and doesn't jive well with a needy kid. Hopefully it will all work out.

I know that I'll probably never get to be a stay-home parent (which I would love), but I'm hoping we can still do right by our kids. :)

[identity profile] buddhafly4224.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah. unfortunately it's not so much the parents to blame, but society. i would just want to be around as much as i could to protect my children from it. i just feel like it's a scarey world to bring children into.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-05 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that there is a lot of negative stuff going on in the world, but there is also a lot of positive things - and I think that's true of every generation, really. I think that in order to have more of the positive things (or at least what I consider positive things), we need to raise a generation that embraces those positive things like peace and tolerance and interconnectedness and environmental responsibility and all of that. It's the best thing I can do to try to make the world a better place - raise better children!

It's not an exact science, but one I want to practice. :) YMMV of course.

[identity profile] thespian.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
that child needs more than a babysitter, else they're going to be dealing with a lot of issues when she gets old enough to really hurt people she decides not to like. She sounds like a bully just waiting to happen until they deal with that.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
She doesn't act like this with anyone but me. I'm fairly sure she's just trying to get out of having a babysitter. I know she spends a bunch of time in child care so maybe having to have a babysitter once a week is pushing her over the edge.

Or maybe there's something with my personality that doesn't jive with her. Who knows? It's bizarre. Every time I come, she tells me, "Remember last time I wasn't nice to you? Today I'm going to be nice to you." And then she turns into a monster.

Today when Mama asked her why she was not nice to me, she said, "Maybe I think I was in a bad mood." I almost cracked up laughing. I can't help it - it's so bad it's comical.

[identity profile] sydneygb.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, what a cranky kid. I would make suggestions but as a dedicated non-parent and a person who generally doesn't like kids anyhow, they wouldn't be helpful to you. (Hint: they involve at least mild violence.)
I'm sorry you had a crap time at the babysitting gig. I am sending you happy vibes right now.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Believe me, I thought of all of the mild violence. It's a good thing I'm a pacifist! ;)

Seriously, though, I even whipped out the Mean Voice. Not a good night.

[identity profile] thatpatti.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
oh trust me, if you were a parent you'd probably come up with LOTS of ideas that involved mild violence. sometimes my goal is simply to make it thorugh the day without acting on any of those ideas. :)

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
I hear ya. Parenting, working with kids all day, same violent ideas. ;)

[identity profile] sydneygb.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. I didn't want to offend, so I figured I'd play it safe. My best friend is used to hearing me say things like "Duct tape." And I've been rather fond of the word "defenestration" lately...

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty tough to offend. But thanks for being cautious!
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[identity profile] saldemonium.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. My. God. How awful that you had to go through that crap. I'm all for talking to children, but really, there are times a kid just needs a good spanking, and I think that girl really needs one. If either of my children did that? Man. I'd kill 'em.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not a big fan of spanking personally. I'm not sure what they should do - they know her better than I do and hopefully they have some sort of history of What Works and What Doesn't.

But yeah, $15/hour doesn't cover getting my physical space violated. She didn't kick or hit HARD, but it's absolutely unacceptable. I don't allow it in my classroom, I don't allow it in my home visits, and I am sure as hell not going to allow it in babysitting.

[identity profile] quinniepants.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
time out. maybe i worked with autistic kids for too long, but damned if time out didn't work at decreasing maladaptive behaviors. well, yeah, along with a bunch of other behavior modifying stuff. but this kid probably doesn't need all that shit. alternatively, fuck it.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
I think time out would be pretty effective for her, but it's not really my place to initiate an entirely new discipline strategy with a kid that's not mine. I'm a big fan of time out as long as it's really "time out from attention" rather than the "Nanny 911" type method where a 2-minute time out can take 45 minutes by the time you get the kid to sit there.

I think she needs SOME sort of consequence. It's great that they allow her to be so open about her feelings but when someone behaves badly, you can't always just talk it away.

[identity profile] gimmeapony.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
Too bad they're not taking any more orders. SO SAD!

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[identity profile] changinglight.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yikes. Sounds like a completely crazy-making experience. if she only does this with you, it stands to reason that she is looking for attention and to not have a baby-sitter anymore. And most likely looking for attention from her parents. But, that's a terrible experience for you to go through, and I'm glad that her parents were more or less home so that they could hear what was going on for themselves. I'm glad that you're taking some time to think about this and figure out what's best for you. Too often that tends to get lost in the shuffle...

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to call them on Friday and try to talk about a next step. I'm definitely going to take at least next week off from babysitting (maybe I'll get a haircut or something fun), and I know that Jen really wants me to stop because she doesn't like E treating me this way. I'm really trying hard this year to focus more on self-care and set better boundaries for myself and this is definitely the first step.

It's tough, though, because it was a pretty sweet deal before it all went weird.

[identity profile] smurfbrother.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's interesting that most replies here have revolved around how best to deal with the child's misbehavior. I think Jude hit it right on the head when she said that the child is in day care all week and then her parents go out one night, so she hardly sees them.

I'm pretty conflicted about this, as someone who plans to be a parent and doesn't want to be a _slave_ to my child, per se...but does anyone think that maybe these parents ought to consider giving up their "date night" for a while?

[identity profile] sydneygb.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right. I was talking about it with my dad this afternoon and mentioned the perpetual daycare situation.
It's sad that people have kids and then ignore them that way. If their kid isn't more important than their climb up the corporate ladder, they oughtn't to have had any.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that's not really fair either, and makes a lot of assumptions about them.

One of the parents is a lawyer and as far as I know, she does a lot of pro-bono work helping people who have been arrested unjustly go through the appeals process. She's not really climbing the corporate ladder. The other parent is a family planning educator for a local non-profit.

So really, they do good work and they really bust their butts to be good parents. It's not really irresponsible for them to try to have a weekly Date Night. It's just something that probably needs to be reevaluated right now.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
And it's not my place to create a solution for the behavior anyway, because it's not my kid!

But yeah, I'm totally on the same page with you. They need to reassess their situation /and/ deal with the behavior... and neither of those things has anything to do with me. It sounds to me like they need to halt the "Date Nights" for right now, or at least make them less frequent, while they come to the bottom of all of this stuff.

[identity profile] whirledpeas.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I say put up with it and shut your trap. Spitting isn't THAT dirty, right? As a 30 year old, it might be HUMBLING to be spat on...you could use this as a growth development opportunity.

Okay kidding. I appreciate how much thought you've put into the situation.

I think if you want the money, you could always put up fliers that say "As long as your child doesn't spit, kick, or tell me I'm a poopiehead all of the time...I'm up for some babysittin'"

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
*spits on you*