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So we leave tomorrow morning for (hopefully) sunny San Francisco, and the whole ordeal is leaving me with a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. I have been excited about this trip since right around the holidays, and now it's finally here - 8 months in the making - and I feel so hollow. I'm sure that once we're actually on the plane I won't be able to help it, and trip excitement will get to me. But right now... ugh.

Many of you know that the whole reason behind this trip was for my Jennifer to present her thesis and finish the requirements for her Master's degree at the school she attended there. The road to this thesis presentation has been paved with confusion, chaos and strife for a long time. In fact, this thesis ghoul was haunting her when we got back in touch in 2001, and it never really stopped rattling its chains.

Unfortunately, lots of seen and unforeseen circumstances have led up to the project not being complete. And, being as that was the reason for the trip, I find myself at a loss. I know it's not /my/ project, but I have been sweating along in this process from the beginning of our time together, and have been the main stand-by, sounding board, and errand-runner for this endeavor for some time. On top of that, I have been trying to be the supportive partner, and for the last week I just haven't felt like I've been doing a good job. I mean, I definitely know I've been putting out the effort, I just haven't been achieving results.

So I'm nervous about this trip because I'm worried there will be a lot of downcast feelings. And I'm worried that I won't be able to fix them. And I'm worried that we won't have as much fun because there will still be this albatross hanging on my beloved's neck. And I keep beating myself up about ways I could have been "the supportive partner" differently.

Mostly, though, I'm worried about what Jennifer is feeling, and what she is going through, and whether I will be able to help soothe her at all. I only know what I would be feeling in such a situation, and we're usually pretty similar. Jennifer, I ache for you.

I have a list of trip-prep things to do today, so I guess I'd better get cracking. My Jennifer, we'll always have the ocean. It's where we came from, you know, and sometimes, I just want to go back.

Date: 2003-08-05 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
It will still be fun....I still want to sell you on San Fran....

And...when I call a little later, I will ask that I can still meet with the Department chair to discuss this with her as well...the worst thing they can do is tell me no....at which point I can argue, citing all the bull shit, or I can look into transferring my credit...

OSU does transfer graduate credit from outside institutions...I read it in their graduate handbook....I don't know if it would work in my situation, but it is a possibility....

Date: 2003-08-05 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadist.livejournal.com
Sometimes all we can do is the best we can do.

Thats what you did. . . You did the best you could do.


You shouldn't punish yourself. . .

Date: 2003-08-05 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mermil.livejournal.com
I think it will be better than you think. If nothing else, at least Jennifer can talk to the faculty members involved in her thesis as well as a dean and find out what options are available to her.
If this is master's degree, why does she have to get it done at a certain time? In theory, couldn't she submit it whenever she finishes and then just wait to get her degree in the mail?

Date: 2003-08-05 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Before thinking about transferring, try to bully them into giving you that degree anyway. Remember what that professor of yours said in San Diego.

Date: 2003-08-05 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
How do you know when you did the best you can do? I mean, there's always more - you can always push a little harder, go a little farther, run a little faster. You can always do more.

I just want to do everything.

Date: 2003-08-05 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glowbug3355.livejournal.com
Instead of focusing on all of your worries try to let go of that and think of all the good that can come of this trip. This is a perfect opportunity for you two to relax together and enjoy each other. I'm sure you'll both come back refreshed and with a whole new perspective.

P.S. I'm gonna miss ya!

Date: 2003-08-05 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
I will try...but....what he said was based on having a project to show....hell I don't even have my OLD project to show....at leats not in any format that will work...

Date: 2003-08-05 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I'm not sure. I think there are time limits on how long you can prolong this sort of thing when you aren't taking classes.

They may extend her, she is asking them to. But the reason we were going /now/ is that she was told in the winter that it had to be done now. So I don't know.

And she would have to present it in person. So she'd have to get back out there.

Date: 2003-08-05 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I'll miss you too, Krusty! Have fun at UAN without meeee!

In an hour or so, I'll probably feel much more positive. I mean, I'M GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO! I have always wanted to go to California! And I get to see my Luke! And meet [livejournal.com profile] jjustj and [livejournal.com profile] ntiva! And see the ocean! And get some lovin'! And maybe I won't get stared at so much! :)

Yes, I just need to get out of this funk and clean the cat litter boxes. The cat puke in the bathroom this morning didn't help, you see. :)

I love you!

Date: 2003-08-05 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
You don't have it? Did you lose it?

Oh hell, we can talk about this, or not talk about this, later.

I love you.

Date: 2003-08-05 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
Doh!....There was no cat puke in there when I showered and stuff......blah...that darn cat needs to get fixed and get fixed some more!

Date: 2003-08-05 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mermil.livejournal.com
Even with all that noted, I have found that in the world of graduate school nearly everything can be negotiated. I think by sitting down and talking to her committee, Jen can at least figure out what her next step is. I think it's the uncertainty, as much as anything else, that's making both of you feel crummy.

I can understand you feeling bad because Jen is probably feeling at least a little crushed by frustration and disappointment. But sometimes there's only so much you can do. It sounds like you have made everything in Jen's life outside the thesis run as smoothly as possible; you've taken care of chores, you've made her surroundings as comfortable and comforting as possible, and you've loved her.

This is Jen's thesis, not yours. You have done what you can to give her the best space possible in which to work on it. The rest is up to her. She is the one who has to sit down and finish it as she sees best.

I guess it comes down to you believing that if she needs your help, she'll ask you for it. Will she? If that's the case, as long as you are there for her when she wants to bang her head on the wall, you are being the best, most supportive Jude you can be.

If it's not the case, then again, you're doing all you can do; it's not as if peppering her with questions about what she might want would help her get her thesis done. Either way, you are giving her mad basset love, and it sounds like she knows it and truly appreciates it.

Date: 2003-08-05 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glowbug3355.livejournal.com
Actually I won't be going to UAN I have my son on Thursday and how could I have possibly had fun without you!


I love you too!!!

Date: 2003-08-05 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
And then when I get home, we can make another baby!

Date: 2003-08-05 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Yeah, while I was typing, I heard the all-too-familiar sound of a Grendel hairball.

Gross!

Date: 2003-08-05 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffholton.livejournal.com
Uhm.

"Sun" is not normally a word that one associates with San Francisco.

One goes to SF to get out of the California heat.

Especially in August and September.

Bring a sweater.

Date: 2003-08-05 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
I love fran fran frisco :D I hope that things will get better there. Go to the Sutro Bath ruins and the buffaloses in golden gate park. :)

Date: 2003-08-05 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kieron.livejournal.com
Doh.....:(

Date: 2003-08-05 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ntiva.livejournal.com
Jude, you get stared at in Columbus?

Jeff, don't be so negative! The past two times we've been in the city, it's been gorgeous.

Jude, don't worry about that, even when it's foggy, it's great. But Jeff *is* right about the sweater. It's best to bring layers when coming to the Bay Area... San Francisco is usually 10-20 degrees cooler than Livermore, and it's only about 50 miles away...

Still figuring out the menu... :)

Date: 2003-08-05 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smurfbrother.livejournal.com
Yeah. aAs a dissertation writer, let me say that when all is said and done, this is HER baby. There really isn't anything you can do besides smooth the way, which it seems like you've done admirably. Fundamentally, the writer has to force herself to sit down and DO it, and it's not anybody's responsibility but hers.

Having said that, I'm going back to mine. :)

Date: 2003-08-05 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffholton.livejournal.com
Jeff, don't be so negative! The past two times we've been in the city, it's been gorgeous.

I wasn't being negative! I *LOVE* foggy San Francisco!! :)

I just meant that "sunny San Francisco" seems like an oxymoron, or, at least, it should be one.

Date: 2003-08-05 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadist.livejournal.com
You never know when you did the best you can do. . . well ok you do sometimes.


However most of the time you just have to learn to be ok with what you did do.


And I don't think there is always more, I don't think you can push yourself beyond a point, there is always a point when the race is over and you can't go faster or further.

Most of the time the reason for that is time.

Date: 2003-08-05 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Dude, I call everything sunny. It's that grrreat positive outlook I developed in sunny Maine! ;)

I had already planned to bring long clothing. I was told by a friend that only tourists wear shorts there anyway. (Heh, I'm so fashion conscious.) And I'm a fanatical overpacker.

So thanks for the tips! :)

Date: 2003-08-05 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffholton.livejournal.com
Sunny Maine!

HAHAHAHA!!! That's a good one! :)

Date: 2003-08-05 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
We do get stared at in Columbus. Not as much as I would in, say, my hometown, but still. Just a few days ago I was walking down the street and a young person on a bike yelled "bald-headed bitch!" at me. Totally random.

Thanks for the weather info! I'm looking forward to some beautiful weather, so it better be GREAT!

Date: 2003-08-05 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I want to go to golden gate park. YAY!

Date: 2003-08-05 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
*whipcrack*

Date: 2003-08-05 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I had a long chat with my 'therapist' ([livejournal.com profile] whirledpeas) about the whole thing. It's true - I get too emotionally involved in Jen's project. I need to just let it go.

And that's what I'm doing, baby. Letting it goooooo.

SMOOCH

Date: 2003-08-05 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ntiva.livejournal.com
I love it, too. :)

Maine

Date: 2003-08-05 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Oh my goodness, you have NO idea. I had SUCH a terrible time there. I HATED IT. Ugh. Just thinking about it freezes my soul.

Date: 2003-08-05 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ntiva.livejournal.com
That is sad to me that someone would yell something like that at you (or anyone, for that matter). You have to wonder about what's going on in peoples heads when they say hurtful things like that.

People tend to be much more accepting here. I doubt you will feel 'out-of-place' at all.

Re: Maine

Date: 2003-08-05 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffholton.livejournal.com
You need fuzzy bunny slippers.

Your soul will warm up.

So will your feet.
From: [identity profile] mermil.livejournal.com
So go, you. Don't feel guilty about it, either. You gotta let your baby gril work this one out alone.

Re: Maine

Date: 2003-08-05 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Tee hee.

My brother's fiancee got me Hello Kitty slippers for Christmas last year.

Date: 2003-08-05 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I have no idea what's up with people. I mean, it has never in my whole life occured to me to yell rude things out the window at people. Except that sometimes when I'm drunk, and I see my friend Missy, I yell things at her across the road.

But I know her. :)

Re: Maine

Date: 2003-08-05 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffholton.livejournal.com
Goes nicely with the "neck and shoulder massager."

Re: Maine

Date: 2003-08-05 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] kungfoogirl has that. It is funny as heck!

Re: Maine

Date: 2003-08-05 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffholton.livejournal.com
Which says a lot because heck is very funny. :)

I do not own one.

But, to be fair, I don't think I want one.

TMI

Date: 2003-08-05 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I don't think I could use a "massager" that had Hello Kitty on it.

Oh, who am I kidding? I have one with a big bunny on it.

Re: TMI

Date: 2003-08-05 05:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2003-08-05 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ntiva.livejournal.com
Yeah. When I was a resident advisor at San Jose State, one day, somone yelled "fat, RA bitch" at me. Didn't feel good hearing that even though I knew this was coming from a seriously troubled person...

Anyway,

Date: 2003-08-05 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
That's crazy!

Sometimes people really baffle me. Didn't these people have caregivers who taught them that this sort of thing was ridiculous??!?

Date: 2003-08-06 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carina-s.livejournal.com
*hugs* Have a good trip. You can make it rock, I know it.

Date: 2003-08-11 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Whee! Mission accomplished.

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