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I have really gone off the deep end. So much so that I called my doctor's secretary and made her have him call me back personally, because I had already pissed off all of the nurses.

Today is CD10. For those of you Not In The Know, that means Cycle Day 10, which means I'm 10 days in. CD1 is always the first real day of menses. Today was my second monitoring appointment, which means ovarian ultrasound and bloodwork.

I went for my first monitoring appointment on Monday, which was CD8, after 5 days of injecting 75iu of Follistim. That's basically injecting FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone... think back to 9th grade bio) straight into your gut. (Some background: Follistim works by stimulating the ovaries directly to produce follicles (which contain eggs), rather than Clomid (the drug I did before, it's oral) which tricks your brain into blocking cessation of estrogen production so you might make more eggs. Anyway, the point of shooting yourself up with FSH is supposed to be more eggs (and better quality). An average woman has one mature follicle per cycle. An average Clomid cycle is 2 follicles.) So where was I? CD8. On CD8, I had a bunch of little follicles that were all under 10-12mm... with one on my left ovary taking the lead at 13.5mm. My E2 (estradiol, a beta form of estrogen that is released by maturing follicles) was 82, which is pretty low. General consensus is that a mature follicle has an E2 of 200-600pg. I thought they would raise the amount of FSH I was injecting, but they didn't. They told me to stick to 75iu for the next two days (CD8-9) and come in on CD10. That's today.

I came in this morning and was shocked to find that my 13.5mm little guy had grown to 17mm in two days! But the thing that SUCKED was that NOTHING ELSE GREW. So I had this 17mm and the same bunch that were all 12mm and under. I was so upset by this that I called the nurse's line and said something like, "Hey, I thought that the point of injectables was to have MORE follicles, and I am getting ONE. I want to know if you know why this is, especially when I have a good ovarian reserve." I got a message back from a nurse that said, "Oh, everything looks GREAT, you have a ton that are around 11-12mm and I'm sure the doctor will be pleased." She seemed to miss my entire point that I already had one at 17mm and I didn't have much time.

I got the call about my E2 in the afternoon, and it was, oh my god shoot me now, 131. (Guys, that's low. Not only does it show that my 17mm dude isn't mature yet, it definitely proves that there is nothing else really maturing in the pipes.) And in the same breath, the nurse says that I am to take one more dose of 75iu Follistim tonight and then do Ovidrel tomorrow night (Ovidrel is an injection of straight hCG - human Chorionic Gonadotropin - that forces the follicles to release their eggs in about 24-48 hours.) for inseminations on Friday and Saturday!

!!!

So let me spell this out a little bit. An injectables cycle hopes for 2-4 mature eggs. There is usually an E2 level of 200pg for EACH mature egg. You trigger ovulation with Ovidrel when the eggs are mature. For a little comparison, last cycle I triggered when I had 2 follicles (19mm and 15.5mm) and an E2 of 398. This is WAY lower than that.

I was so upset about the idea of triggering tomorrow and having ONE follicle that I really pissed the nurse off. She was getting really short with me and didn't seem to like the idea that I "knew stuff." When I brought up things about E2 levels and mature follicles and stuff she just started saying, "Well, what the doctor wants..." and then I knew that a) I had more information than she did and b) she was getting irritated. So I told her I was sorry, that she was the messenger, and that I was frustrated.

Later, I was still upset and Jen convinced me to call back and demand to speak to the doctor. I had previously tried to do this and the receptionist said the doctor was with patients and sent me back to the nurse line. So this time I called back and asked for the doctor's secretary... and then I told her that I was VERY concerned about my cycle and I really wanted the doctor to call me back TODAY. And she said she would try. And he did call, at 4:45pm when I was in the middle of staff meeting.

He was nice about me wanting a call and told me I probably didn't piss off the nurses (but I know I did), but really didn't have too much to offer me aside from the "party line" of "Oh, this is going to be fine." (I have learned through this process that "fine" means "the minimum of what might possibly work maybe.") He did agree with me that the E2 was low, and WAY lower than last time (dude, you don't need to be a doctor for that) but kept telling me that it was going to be fine because he was sure it would be MUCH higher by tomorrow. (Keep in mind that it went from 82 on Monday to 131 on Wednesday... how high is it going to be tomorrow?) He also said, and I almost spit out water, that the 12mm follicle on my right ovary was going to be mature by the time of trigger. Remember that the time of trigger is TOMORROW and that mature follicles are a MINIMUM of 15mm. He basically told me I didn't know what I was talking about, and that a good E2 level for a mature follicle is 120pg. Whatever.

So basically I can't say I don't have a chance this month because I /do/ have one mature follicle, BUT I really don't have a heck of a lot of optimism (I've had 2 follicles every other cycle and am certainly not pregnant yet) and I don't really have a lot of faith in my doctor's office if I am getting this sort of result from an aggressively medicated cycle.

My main frustration is that I feel like my doctor is not taking these injectable cycles very seriously and is just thinking of them as a stepping stone to IVF. He is always talking about what goes in on IVF cycles and how that is my next step, and today he went as far as to tell me with some happiness that after my third injectable cycle, my insurance will automatically cover IVF. HELLO, CAN WE LIVE IN THIS CYCLE RIGHT NOW? I seriously think he gets a big stiffy in his office thinking about jumping to IVF and raising his stats.

I was pushy enough that he agreed that if this cycle didn't work, he would be a little more aggressive with the meds next time. I think this occurred because I told him quite forcefully, "Look. I am trying to move away. My wife is taking a job across the state and I will be LIVING HERE BY MYSELF to do these cycles and this is my LAST CHANCE." I'm hoping that by telling him under no uncertain terms that even if I ever pursue IVF it will not be with him will let him realize that he has to actually TRY. Or maybe not. I don't know.

So basically I have given myself track marks in the gut and have a major pizza face (FSH causes skin breakouts) for one ridiculous follicle and the lowest E2 ever. I am ready to punch someone in the face.

~//~

That said, yes, I know that people get pregnant with one follicle. All the time. In fact, most people get pregnant with one follicle. But most people aren't spending a billion dollars and shooting themselves in the gut with hormones with one follicle. I feel like I am paying these people for results and am playing by their rules to a T, and I'm getting the same odds that I would be getting if I wasn't doing anything with them at all! (I do still ovulate, without them, and it's probably one lonely follicle.)

It's times like this when I really REALLY get it when people say, "I am just waiting for this cycle to be over so I can move on to IVF." Because it seems like the doctors only really care about IVF and that's what they spend their efforts on.

Date: 2006-09-14 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scirocco.livejournal.com
Sorry you're having a hard time. I hope you wake up tomorrow with sore ovaries from the 5 15cm follicles you have growing in there. *HUG*

Date: 2006-09-14 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I do hope for my sake you mean millimetres. Because I would explode. ;)

Date: 2006-09-14 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scirocco.livejournal.com
No, I was thinking THAT MUCH SUCCESS. FOLLICLES BACKING UP INTO YOUR STOMACH!

Date: 2006-09-14 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
VOMITING EGGS!

Date: 2006-09-14 02:52 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-09-14 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigodove.livejournal.com
*hugs*

I'm still hoping this is it for you...how incredibly frustrating.

Date: 2006-09-14 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I have to say that on the 0 to 100 scale of hope, I have about a 5.

*hug*

Date: 2006-09-14 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sassywoman.livejournal.com
I am so sorry to hear about the sucky results of this cycle so far. Your dr. sounds like an ass. I would be very upset too. I really, really hope that you have at least two or they will delay your trigger. I'm thinking of you and sending truckloads of BABYDUST your way.

Date: 2006-09-14 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Well, they are not going to delay the trigger. I'm not going in for any additional monitoring tomorrow or anything, so really they are going on today's results and what they assume tomorrow's will be. Even though they can't assume that I haven't been able to eat anything all day with all of this business.

So my choice is to go along with triggering tomorrow and doing IUIs on Friday and Saturday, or deciding not to go forward with this cycle.

Date: 2006-09-14 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stapynam.livejournal.com
silly jude. don't you know all you have to do is /relax/ to get pregnant? ;)

Date: 2006-09-14 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Oh, right.

I will start relaxing pronto.

Date: 2006-09-14 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com
I'll be thinking of you and your ovaries. =)

Date: 2006-09-14 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
What are you thinking about them?

Date: 2006-09-14 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com
I'm thinking they should produce big healthy follicles or I'll beat them up.

Date: 2006-09-14 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Oooh, I wanna watch.

No, wait..

Date: 2006-09-14 02:57 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-09-14 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cappucinogrrl.livejournal.com
Whoa whoa whoa.

Where/when did THAT icon happen?! What?!

:::brain explodes:::

Date: 2006-09-15 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
It's not really Alex... it's some perp. But it kind of LOOKS like Alex, hee. Don't worry. Don't explode your brain. :)

Date: 2006-09-14 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aminahfiddler.livejournal.com
Damn doctors.... I hate them I hate them all. Unless of course they are telling me I'm knocked up.

Frankly I'm surprised at how little monitoring your doctor does. I usually go in on cd 3, 7 or 8, 11, 13 or 14 then trigger. Of course I also take a MUCH higher dosage than you last month I was 275iu.

Well all I can say is hope you sex with a needled goes better. Kick the doctor by accident or something after he's done if it makes you feel better.

Seriously hugs honey.

Date: 2006-09-15 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Well, my doctor's office doesn't seem to do CD3 stuff. But I went in on Day 8 and Day 10... but that's when I had my 17mm. Last cycle, I went in on Day 8, Day 10, and Day 13. So it's not much different.

Hee hee, "sex with a needle." WHOO! The doctor doesn't do my IUIs... nurse practitioners do and they are usually awesome.

Date: 2006-09-14 03:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siercia
*hug*

I'm sorry this is so stressful.

Doctors suck.

Date: 2006-09-15 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I think some doctors get upset when you "know stuff."

Date: 2006-09-15 02:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siercia
That has certainly been my experience with doctors. Especially if what you know contradicts the advice they're giving you.

Date: 2006-09-15 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
I hope I'm not like that with my clients.

Date: 2006-09-14 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kjames.livejournal.com
i'm sorry. how incredibly frustrating.

also? i hate when doctors/nurses get pissy when the patient actually knows something about what's going on with his/her body.

Date: 2006-09-15 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Dude, SERIOUSLY. That is what drives me bonkers! I hate when medical folks get annoyed with me because I read a lot and ask a lot of questions. I can't help it - I like questions!

Date: 2006-09-14 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estrange.livejournal.com
Wow how frustrating - that sucks, I'm sorry.

Date: 2006-09-15 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Maybe this will be my turn to say "I just KNEW it wouldn't work, but I got a BFP!"

Date: 2006-09-14 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bec4joy.livejournal.com
sorry Jude.. (((Hugs)))

Date: 2006-09-15 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Thanks, love.

Date: 2006-09-14 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skatured.livejournal.com
Man, what a day! I hope you are finding little ways to pamper yourself. Way to go for sticking up for yourself and demanding that the doctor call you back.

Date: 2006-09-15 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
It was kind of nice to have him call me back, I don't mind saying. I felt kind of vindicated, even if he thinks I'm ridiculous. (I don't care.)

As for pampering, umm... I decided to call out sick tomorrow since I will miss everything I have scheduled for my IUI... so that will be nice!

Date: 2006-09-14 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] afullmoon.livejournal.com
I am so sorry hon, I hope it gets better. But thanks for explaining it all in words I understand. You did better then my doctor.

Date: 2006-09-15 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Ha ha! I should work for a fertility center!! My coworkers always say that I need a new job because I know too much about women's bodies!

Breathe

Date: 2006-09-14 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glowbug3355.livejournal.com
Sweetie I know that it's hard to relax right now but what you need to do is take a deep breath and trust that everything will workout the way it is suppose to. Everything else in your life has happened for a reason and in its own time so relax and let it happen. I know it's easy for me to say but just try things will get better they always do!

p.s. c-bus misses you :(

Re: Breathe

Date: 2006-09-15 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com
Can't you just send me a baby? You make cute babies and you are super cute.

Also, we miss Columbus and I mniss all of you BIG TIME. Hopefully sometime soon we can get out there to say hi. You can visit us anytime!

I know that the Universe has the final say on everything, but it's irritating that I am going through this crazy process to have the same results I would have WITHOUT it!

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